50 cc or 750 watts in the USA - is a MOPED
Electric assist (not gasoline) is a different animal and is considered
a bicycle AS LONG AS IT CAN BE RIDDEN UNDER PEDAL POWER.
Take the pedals off and it does not fit ANY legal definition for road
On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 20:53:31 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
So someone says something you do not like and suddenly you brand them
as a troll, and copy and paste their post and add stupid newsgroups to
your reply, and you want folks to believe that she is the troll, and not
You really are one sick pup, boy.
If he could pass the inspection - meaning useing Moped tires instead
of bike tires and verifying his brakes meet the required performance
spec etc. - Which he has not done - and the process is not cheap
for the state of Maine:
1. Definition. "Experimental motor vehicle" means any motor vehicle
in the developmental stage that has not yet reached production.
2. Inspection and equipment. An experimental motor vehicle is exempt
from inspection requirements under section 1751 but must comply with
the equipment standards of chapter 17 to include at a minimum: body
components, an exhaust system, reflectors, running gear, tires, a
horn, lights, directional signals, brakes, a steering mechanism,
windshield wipers, safety seat belts and rearview mirrors.
3. Experimental motor vehicle inventor registration. A person in the
business of developing experimental motor vehicles shall register with
the Secretary of State as an experimental motor vehicle inventor. The
Secretary of State shall develop and implement an application process,
including but not limited to name, address and description and
photographs of the experimental motor vehicle in development.
4. Experimental motor vehicle plate. The Secretary of State shall
issue a registration plate for an experimental motor vehicle to a
registered experimental motor vehicle inventor. This plate may be used
for one or more experimental motor vehicles during the term of the
registration provided that those vehicles are owned by the person
issued the registration plate. The Secretary of State may issue no
more than 2 plates per registered experimental motor vehicle inventor.
The registration for an experimental motor vehicle must be renewed
5. Fee. The Secretary of State shall charge an annual fee of $20 for
each plate issued under this section.
6. Insurance. The Secretary of State may not issue an experimental
motor vehicle registration plate until the applicant has procured and
filed with the Secretary of State a certificate showing that the
applicant is covered by an automobile bodily injury and property
damage liability insurance policy providing coverage against any legal
liability when injury, death or damage results from or has been caused
by the operation of any vehicle bearing an experimental motor vehicle
7. Limitations on use. A person may not operate an experimental motor
vehicle on a public way with a posted speed limit that exceeds the
capability of that vehicle to achieve and safely maintain that speed.
Experimental motor vehicles are prohibited from operation on the
interstate highway system and Maine Turnpike at all times. A person
may operate an experimental motor vehicle only in daylight hours.
8. Rulemaking. The Secretary of State shall adopt rules to establish
the application criteria and process by which a person may qualify to
receive an experimental motor vehicle registration plate. Rules
adopted pursuant to this subsection are routine technical rules as
defined in Title 5, chapter 375, subchapter 2-A.
9. Violations. The operation of any motor vehicle registered under
this section that is not in compliance with this section is a traffic
Every person who owns a reconstructed vehicle, specially constructed
vehicle, or replica vehicle must obtain a certificate of title and
registration for the vehicle before it is operated on any highway. All
liens held against the vehicle must be shown on the Virginia title.
Reconstructed VehicleAny vehicle that has been materially altered from
its original construction by the removal, addition, or substitution of
VehicleAny vehicle that was not originally constructed under a
distinctive name, make, model, or type by a generally recognized
manufacturer of vehicles and which would not be otherwise defined as a
constructed using a Mercury frame and a Chevrolet body.Replica
VehicleAny vehicle not fully constructed by a licensed manufacturer,
but either constructed or assembled from components. Such components
may be from a single vehicle, multiple vehicles, a kit, parts, or
fabricated components. The kit may be made up of major components, a
full body, or a full chassis, or a combination of these parts. The
vehicle must resemble a vehicle of distinctive name, line-make, model,
or type as produced by a licensed manufacturer or manufacturer no
longer in business and is not a reconstructed or specially constructed
subassemblies of a motor vehicle: (i) front clip assembly, consisting
of the fenders, grille, hood, bumper, and related parts; (ii) engine;
(iii) transmission; (iv) rear clip assembly, consisting of the quarter
panels, floor panels, trunk lid, bumper, and related parts; (v) frame;
(vi) air bags; and (vii) any door that displays a vehicle
How to Apply
Follow these steps when applying for a title for a reconstructed,
specially constructed or replica vehicle.
Step 1: Submit the following completed forms:
NOTE: Vehicles such as reconstructed or specially constructed motor
vehicles may have existing vehicle identification numbers (VINs) that
are no longer appropriate because the vehicle has been fundamentally
altered to be an entirely different vehicle for titling purposes. In
order to title these types of vehicles, DMV will assign vehicle
If the vehicle is a replica built on a manufactured chassis or a
chassis from another vehicle, a VIN usually will not have to be
assigned by DMV because the Manufacturer's Certificate (or Statement)
of Origin (MCO or MSO) will provide an acceptable VIN for the vehicle.
A replica vehicle built on the chassis from another vehicle may use
the VIN from the existing chassis, as long as the new vehicle is a
replica of the vehicle from which the chassis came. However, DMV must
assign a VIN to any replica vehicle that otherwise does not have one,
or if the replica does not appear to be the vehicle from which the
Any vehicle owner seeking an assignment of VIN from DMV must establish
ownership of the vehicle by submitting all titles or other ownership
documents for any parts acquired for use in constructing the vehicle.
Each type of vehicle has certain components that must be accounted for
with a bill of sale, title, certificate of origin and/or a notarized
affidavit. These documents must show any identification numbers, sale
price, and be properly assigned to the applicant.
Any vehicle, for which an application for a VIN has been made, will be
subject to inspection by DMV ("VIN inspection"). In addition, all
reconstructed, specially constructed, and replica vehicles must be
inspected by DMV's Law Enforcement Services prior to titling, even if
the vehicle has an existing, useable VIN.
DMV charges a fee for the inspection, verification, or identification
of the serial number or VIN of any vehicle.
Step 2: Submit proof of address
Refer to Acceptable Documents for Titling a Vehicle in Virginia (DMV
177) for a list of proof of address documents.
Step 3: Submit properly assigned ownership documents or bills of sale
transmission and rear axle)
cab and front axle used to replace a wrecked or retired cab and front
axle. Motor vehicle sales and use tax is not required; however, you
must provide proof that you paid retail tax.)
manufactured or the title for the chassis if it came from another
NOTE: For motorcycles, submit properly assigned ownership documents or
bills of sale for the following:
Step 4: Submit the following documents:
the front and side of the vehicle.)
Step 5: Submit the following fees:
NOTE: If the vehicle weighs 26,001 pounds or more, you are exempt from
paying sales and use tax. If you paid retail sales tax on any parts at
the time of purchase and you are providing proof of payment, no motor
vehicle sales and use tax is required.
NOTE: In order to operate your vehicle on Virginia highways, the
vehicle must pass a state motor vehicle safety inspection. You must
pay the local vehicle registration fee to the locality and display the
local sticker or decal on the windshield, if applicable.
Step 6: Submit all documents and fees to:
Virginia Department of Motor Vehicles
ATTN: Vehicle Branding Work Center
P.O. Box 27412
Richmond, VA 23269
2300 W. Broad Street
Richmond, VA 23269
NOTE: The estimated turnaround time for this process is 3 weeks, if
you submit all required documentation. You must completely assemble
the vehicle prior to submitting your original paperwork to DMV for
processing. A DMV Investigator will contact you to schedule an
appointment to inspect the vehicle and install the VIN plate, if
Please note the following:
inspection sticker must be displayed on the windshield, if applicable.
NOTE: Some localities do not require the display of a sticker/decal on
a vehicle; however, payment of the local registration fee is still
required. Check with the appropriate locality for requirements.
I have very good reason to suspect there is NO WAY he could ever get
his contraption licensed as an experimental vehicle in any state of
the USA or province of Canada without a significant expenditure and a
On Sat, 02 Jul 2016 22:37:13 -0400, email@example.com wrote:
Oh boy. Something tells me not to tread here, but. <g>
You're right, it's not an "experimental vehicle" by most state laws.
About low-speed electric bicycles, however, it gets sticky. You're
right, too, that pedals are required. But, as I said, the cops here in
NJ, at least, are focused on safe riding rather than your pedals. I've
asked, because I have an O&R bicycle motor, which I had put on my
son's bicycle at the time. I got into a discussion of the laws with
our DOT a few years back, when they were dealing with the new federal
law about electric bikes, which preempt state laws. (I was just
curious about the status of electric bikes; mine is gas-powered, but I
was considering building an electric pusher and wanted to know where
they stood under the law.)
Notwithstanding any other provision of law, low-speed electric
bicycles are consumer products within the meaning of section
2052(a)(1)? of this title and shall be subject to the Commission
regulations published at section 1500.18(a)(12) and part 1512 of title
16, Code of Federal Regulations.
means a two- or three-wheeled vehicle with fully operable pedals and
an electric motor of less than 750 watts (1 h.p.), whose maximum speed
on a paved level surface, when powered solely by such a motor while
ridden by an operator who weighs 170 pounds, is less than 20 mph.
(c) Promulgation of requirements
To further protect the safety of consumers who ride low-speed electric
bicycles, the Commission may promulgate new or amended requirements
applicable to such vehicles as necessary and appropriate.
This section shall supersede any State law or requirement with respect
to low-speed electric bicycles to the extent that such State law or
requirement is more stringent than the Federal law or requirements
referred to in subsection (a).
116 Stat. 2776.)
The whole thing appears to be in legal limbo. However, I believe that
what I said is the actual way cops in NJ are treating the law. If it's
electric, they don't care, and they treat it much like any bicycle.
The gas-powered mopeds in NJ are subject to some strict regulations
because we had a lot of injuries of younger kids riding mopeds a
couple of decades ago, when 14-year-olds could ride them without a
license. The 14-year-old son of one of my wife's co-workers was killed
on a moped at that time.
The cops here tend to turn a blind eye to even the gas powered power
bikes -UNTIL something happens The cops are shy about laying charges,
but the judges are not shy about convicting.
Here in Ontario we have motorcycles,limited speed motorcycles, mopeds,
and power assisted bicycles.
There is a class M (motorcycle) licence, a Class ML (limitted speed
motorcycle) license for motorcycles and limited speed motorcycles
respectively. Mopeds require the low speed license as well.. All
three require plates, insurance, and an approved helmet.
Electric assisted bicycles do not require registration, licence, or
insurance and require a bicycle helmet. Rider must be 16 or over, and
you are not allowed to ride one if your driver's licence has been
revoked for amy reason. They do require pedals and are limited to 2mph
and 500 watts of power.
On Sun, 03 Jul 2016 00:17:14 -0400, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Again, it varies here by state, and some states, like NJ, are stuck in
limbo because of the federal preemption I listed above.
The federal preemption is for the definition and classification of
low-speed electric bicycles, but the rules of the road for them are up
to the states. So in NJ, for example, we could comply with stricter
states laws, register the things and ride them like mopeds -- except
the state would be violating federal law by requiring stricter
So the state has done nothing. It pretends they don't exist, and
doesn't allow the federally defined version on the roads.
At least, that's the way it's been recently, and the state apparently
has withdrawn them from the moped rules handbook.
Segways faced similar issues; they didn't fit any existing category.
We tried to have them treated as pedestrians but were frustrated by
cyclists demanding equal access to the sidewalk.
The law also has to consider electric wheelchairs which have similar
properties. Unlike a bicycle they have no difficulty stopping and
starting and can match walking speeds.
Segways were banned in the Netherlands for a while because they have
no brakes. They stop the same way your shoes do.
They'd still have to swerve into the travel lane where the ditch or
embankment begins at the phone poles, or when forced in by guard
rails. The problem is avoiding mindlessly wandering traffic, not
physically traveling on the shoulder although the snow plows and frost
do tear up the edges. ATVs of all types were very common around here
until development filled the flats and began consuming the hilly land.
I've tried several ways to combine road and off-road capabilities. The
most versatile was to carry an inflatable raft on a bicycle. Either
can hold me and the other, and go over a chain link fence.
The longest ranged was a street-legal dirt bike with trials tires. It
could handle winter snowmobile trails as long as I stayed on the
packed area and I've walked it across the steeply sloping rock
embankments under bridges while following streams.
Well if you want all-purpose and got $$$$ to burn get a Rokon:
They even float or you can use the hollow rims to store extra fuel. I
thought they were the way to go until I priced one ;-)
Although they are a local NH company I've never seen one out on the
trails, which are mostly in upland areas with firm rocky ground. We
have to look to find boggy spots to include on dirt bike rally routes.
Personally I tried not to leave any trace the next rain wouldn't
As an illustration every time a friend called to ask for help getting
unstuck I was able to drive almost to where he was in my car, and
bring him and his valuables home so he could plead with someone whose
truck was big enough to drag him out.
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