OT: Rummy's brilliant idea

What bogus reasons? I was smart enough to know no one knew if they had WMD or not. Trying or not trying to buy uranium was NOT the deciding factor for me, nor should it have been for anyone.

"Preemptive" !!?? This war was nothing more than the continuation of the first war due to Sodamn Insane's violations of the ceasefire agreements at the end of hostilities, was it not? As far as being an occupier, that's exactly what we should have been the first time around.

John

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John Flanagan
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Hey Glenn, you got a URL for this :^)? I'm not sure I trust John Ashcroft or not, not sure I even trust Bush either. I think it's generally a good thing to not trust politicians or cashier's giving your change back without counting :^). At least it's not good to get into the habit of trusting them.

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John Flanagan

All too true. I think that times are changing. In the past there was not too much cost in American blood even though the cost in treasure was significant. Now we beginning to understand the cost in blood.

Pete.

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Peter Reilley

LOL.

"Trust us!!"

That kind of 'trust' fund.

Jim

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jim rozen

And if you want Multi-media, here is a song about it by Tom Paxton:

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Glenn Ashmore

When Politicians set up "Trust Accounts" what they are really saying is "We know you are watching because you don't trust us so we will set up this trust account and then we can steel it when you are not watching.

For example, the Air transport "Trust Fund" that we pay > >

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Glenn Ashmore

I thought that's what the thread was about. Ashcroft taking the initiative and making his own laws up. When he's not doing the "Ashcroft Travelling Road Show" tour of LEO organizations, that is.

Jim

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jim rozen

My congressman (Dem) thinks the same as I do and my Senator(Rep)is beginning to understand that backing Rumsfeld and Ashcroft may have been a mistake. I can only hope that more come to their senses. But aside from the "Patriot Act" most of what Ashcroft is doing has nothing to do with the law or congress and seems to be beyond the ability of the courts to reign in.

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Glenn Ashmore

Please enlighten me as to how he has stepped outside the law.

Strider

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Strider

Will to fight...hummm other than you and others like you...I see no diminishing in the will to fight. Now if you and your ilk keep prattling on along the Democratic Election Year bullshit cycle..there is every chance of the sheeple will loose the will to fight eventually.

I should remind you of Vietnam. We never lost a battle. Period. We always brought the NV up short, with our bombing and mining. The 1968 Tet Offensive was a great victory for the South and the US. At the end of that offensive, the Viet Cong had permanantly ceased to exist as any sort of effective entity. They were dead.

But the Media fostered the belief that it was a setback and a loss for the US. And public attention started turning sour at that point.

As has been said many times..if you repeat a lie long enough..it becomes the truth. And those of you whom keep prattling on about Quagmire and all the other buzzwords you folks just love using, are doing exactly that.

Shit..more kids get killed in drivebys every week in the US, than are killed in the middle of your "hostile nation" of 25 million Iraqis by any means.

But its coming up on an election year, you Libs/Dems are still festering about Bush winning the election, so I dont expect anything other than bullshit from your camp until after the election..at which point you folks will all expire from apopolexy when Bush wins his second term.

Gunner

"Anyone who cannot cope with firearms is not fully human. At best he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe and not make messes in the house." With appologies to RAH..

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Gunner

How come they keep surviving judicial challenges if they are unconstitutional?

Gunner

"Anyone who cannot cope with firearms is not fully human. At best he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe and not make messes in the house." With appologies to RAH..

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Gunner

On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 05:44:56 GMT, Gunner wrote in Msg.

Remember, guys, this is from someone who believes that hip operations are illegal in the EU on patients over 55. Gunner, perhaps you should stick to metalworking topics instead of making yourself the laughing stock of the group with your geopolitical views.

--Daniel

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Daniel Haude

Hey strudel breath...The list of EU ways to fight a war was simply a humorous piece gathered off the net, in response to another humorous piece, gathered off the net, and so forth.

I notice you are posting with a .de in your email addy. Are ALL of you Squareheads that humor impaired? No wonder my ancestors boogied from Bavaria, if they had die schwanzlutschers like you as neighbors. I know you folks know how to fight wars. God knows you have started enough of them in your time. Say..got any Jews in your village? Or did they all go up in smoke? Hummmm I fail to see you rebutt much of any thing else in that humor piece. Is there some reason for that? Perhaps much of it hits a nerve? Hummmm? BTW..how are your troops doing in Iraq? Probably as well as the French, Non? Well..what can one expect from a Socialist..or a National Socialist ja? Exchange student? Good..Stay there.

Oh..btw...

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"Seeking Treatment Abroad Introduction Following a recent ruling in the European courts it is now allowable for patients to seek treatment in other member states of the European Union than their own if there is an excessive wait such as exists for certain surgical conditions in the National Health Service. Many countries in Europe are over doctored and have excess beds for the patients needs. Therefore waiting lists in certain countries do not exist and often the average time from the initial consultation to see the consultant to having the surgery is no more than 2 weeks. When you are faced with a wait of up to 18 months for certain painful conditions such as a hip replacement seeking treatment abroad does appear very appealing, especially if the National Health Service will pay for the treatment."
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So..if Gramps grabs his chest, or Grandmama blows out a hip....it looks like she or he is gonna have to wait up to two years to get treated. So maybe that bit about coming to the US for a new hip wasnt too far off the mark...eh? God knows we have a steady stream of Canadians and Euros coming into the US for medical treatment.. Now back to addressing the rest of your schoggi-schtooss...

To repeat the one liner you spewed in an earlier post....

"What the f*ck are you blabbing about? "

As to your critique of my comment about Tet, etc..I suspect that history is not your strong suit, let alone the history of the US involvment in Southeast Asia. Would you like some links?

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"The Tet Offensive is often offered as an example of how American and Allied forces were completely outclassed by the Viet Cong and PAVN, the Siege of Khe Sanh being one of the key 'tragedies' of the Tet Offensive. The facts are that, for North Vietnam, the Tet Offensive was an unmitigated and wildly overestimated disaster. There was no mass, popular uprising and all that was achieved was the exposure of both Viet Cong and Main Force units to the withering destruction of American and Allied firepower. The Viet Cong in South Vietnam were effectively wiped out and ceased to play any effective role in the war from then on. The North Vietnamese mounted an undeniable invasion of South Vietnam through neutral Laos and Cambodia; an act of military amorality equal to Pearl Harbour and the two invasions of Belgium by the German Army in 1914 and 1940. Virtually all their first line combat units were decimated, suffering over forty thousand killed and half that number wounded.

None - absolutely none - of the military aims of the Communist forces were achieved and it was called off by Vo Nguyen Giap when its failure became obvious. It was a military defeat of the order the French Army in 1940 or the Gallipoli Campaign. Yet, 'conventional wisdom' by the apologists and mythmakers hold the TET offensive up as a shining victory for the North.

At Khe Sanh, particularly, an outnumbered US Marine garrison inflicted a huge defeat on the Communist forces. There, a combination of fighting spirit and technology beat the four NVA divisions arrayed against them and foiled Giap's aim to repeat Dien Bien Phu. This also destabilised overall Communist strategy for the Tet Offensive, tying down valuable forces in the North, hardly a display of the alleged superior military thought of this 'master' strategist and his political master, Ho Chi Minh. The Tet Offensive was a military miscalculation of the most callous and egregious kind, a complete waste of the military resources deployed by the North."

**************** I went in country in 1971. There were NO VC units to be found, except in odd bits of bone and rubber and canvas here and there in remote areas of the jungle. After Tet, in 1968, the US was engaged in battle with main force NVA. Period. End Program. Full stop. Any surviving VC was either walking wounded, or conscripted into the North Vietnamese Army. My partner, a Chu Hoi, was at one time, VC. All of his friends were hors de combat. Everyone. Kaput. Abrauchen! Oddly enough, during my second tour in 72-73, the VC as organized units, were still dead. Kaput. Much like Herr Schicklegrubber.

Comments Bierficker ? Anything else you would care to spew your ignorance in public about? Snicker....Kennsch de Wayne?

Gunner

"Anyone who cannot cope with firearms is not fully human. At best he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe and not make messes in the house." With appologies to RAH..

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Gunner

On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 05:46:23 GMT, Gunner pixelated:

"I'm sorry sir, but the word 'unconstitutional' does not appear in the current newspeak dictionary." said the judge.

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Larry Jaques

And that's why it's called Ho Chi Minh City?

Seriously, when you see the helicopters taking off from the roof of the embassy this makes an impression on a kid.

Jim

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jim rozen

I think it will take a few years to sort this mess out. By that time the court will be packed to the right, and you will get your wishes come true.

Mandatory school prayer GRanite monuments mandated in every city hall.

Jim

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jim rozen

May be. But Gunner's right about the VC. I was there in '71 too and as I remember it, all our operations were against NVA units. He's also right about the way the Tet offensive was played in the US media.

Garrett Fulton

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gfulton

But we most assuredly lost the war. That's because wars aren't necessarily decided by who wins battles. That's only a part of the war fighting process, often a small part. Warfare is diplomacy by other means, and often the psychology of war is more important than the combat results in the field.

It was a setback. Our leaders had told us that major combat in South Vietnam was over *before* Tet. Tet proved them terribly wrong. Tet destroyed the administration's "light at the end of the tunnel" myth. It didn't matter who won the battle, the very fact that there still could be such a battle struck a stunning blow to the administration's credibility.

For a nation already weary of seeing their sons return in boxes from a war fought to prop up a corrupt SVN government, it was the turning point. Perhaps if LBJ had cast the war more in terms of naked colonial aggression, and showed how it profited us, he'd have had a better chance of sustaining the war after Tet. But he didn't. He just kept hawking the old domino theory that no one was buying anymore.

Gary

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Gary Coffman

Yeah right :) I wonder why it's no longer called Saigon?

And for God's sake man, since you will most definitely continue to dazzle this news group with your utter nonsense, at least please take some remedial English writing classes.

You "whom" too much.

..."strudel breath" ..."Are ALL of you Squareheads...?" ..."schwanzlutschers like you" ..."Say..got any Jews in your village?" ..."Bierficker"

Wow, and you have the gall to call others rude?

Abrasha

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Abrasha

With Gunner for our daily example, how could we miss that fact ?

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Excitable Boy

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