You haven't been paying much attention. Artillery and "airborne"
artillery (whatever the hell that is!) has been GPS guided for several years
now. The current favorite in dropped bombs is the SDB, Small Diameter Bomb,
a 250 pound cutie that gets regularly slid down the unlubricated smoke hole
of many an unhappy camel fucker. Takes out a single dwelling (or just a
couple rooms of something bigger) and nothing more.
GPS guided weaponry has been gaining in popularity for many, many years
lately on account of the goal of minimizing collateral damage, including
casualties. It's not something the foamy mouth liberals want to envision,
that the military is actually trying to kill _less_ people, not more, all
with the direction of the current administration.
If you weren't so busy focusing on how bad you'd like the news to be,
you'd learn something new and refreshing.
Maybe the last time you went in for finger surgery you thought that
cutting off the wrong arm was close enough, for me it ain't.
Surgical: Bad guy sits down at dinner with family, bad guy dead,
innocents get blood and guts on them.
How to make a bunch of new terrorists: Bad guy sits down at table, blow
up house, killing a half dozen innocents. Made worse when the targeting
is abased on BAD intel. We are often fed info on 'jihadists' just to
settle private scores.
"Airborne artillery" is AC-130 gunships used nightly in operations over
Baghdad, and regular artillery was used on neighborhoods just a few
weeks ago in Baghdad.
You think a bomb is 'cute', that alone speaks volumes.
RIIIGHT! You mean the same guys that brought us Abu Ghraib, failed
utterly at reconstruction, and still have not secured the borders are
trying to save lives...Wanna buy a bridge?
I want good news, but I'm forced to deal with what is really happening
there.
New and refreshing would be the administration admitting that this is a
complete clusterfuck and starting to figure out how to get out of it.
And nobody here has yet figured out what 'winning' this fiasco is
supposed to look like.
SO, How much do you know about what your neighbors are doing? Is that
why you slink around the neighborhood at night peeking in the windows?
I just thought it was because you are a nosy Republican Pervert. Have
you taken it upon yourself to kill your neighbors if they do something
that you feel might not be approved by the authorities? Have you run
background checks on all the occupants of every double-wide in your
trailer park?
Apparently, to Gunner, you have no right to be private in your own home
or business in case you pose a threat he needs to neutralize to protect
himself.
If you had a real job, how would you keep track of all the goings on?
Snicker...off your meds again eh Stuart?
Gunner
"Liberalism is a philosophy of consolation for Western civilization as it
commits suicide"
- James Burnham
On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:52:48 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
Oh Well Said! Sir...well said indeed!!
Gunner
Political Correctness
A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority and
rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a turd by the clean end.
That is easily addressed. You preemptively kill the people who
refuse or resist inspection. That's harsh, but once the bombs start
dropping it would be an acceptable approach to a lot of people.
Of course the people the bomb-droppers are targeting will resist
by killing their nosy neighbors, both in retaliation and preemptively.
IOW, I think that quite a few Iraqis have adopted Mr Gunner's approach
over the last few years. It clearly improved the situation from the
perspective of Hezbollah, Iran, North Korea, and al Queda all of whom
benefit from the US fighting Iraqis instead of themselves.
On 9 Mar 2007 08:47:24 -0800, snipped-for-privacy@spamcop.net wrote:
You two pathetic individuals are publicly engaged in a circle jerk of
two, based on strawmen arguments and pathetic buffoonery.
But hey..its amusing to watch you two jerking each other off.
Shrug..like watching a Short Bus filled with Downs children parked at a
red light...working each other up .
Gunner
"Liberalism is a philosophy of consolation for Western civilization as it
commits suicide"
- James Burnham
Gunner wrote:
I notice you said nothing to answer my question about what 'winning' the
war will look like.
Don't fret, I don't think GWB ever knew either.
Stuart
On Mar 2, 9:22 am, Ignoramus16069 <ignoramus16...@NOSPAM.
16069.invalid> wrote:
I find it disconcerting when people discuss the war ONLY in terms of
political motives of one or both parties, although political motives
should not be ignored.
A non political approach to Iraq.
point 1) Islam (or at least the terroristic portion of Islam) has
declared war on the United States, Western civilization, and all other
religions. Examples are 9/11, the 1st world trade center bombing,
Lockerbie Scotland, USS Cole, Bombings in Spain, London, Indonesia,
etc. etc. etc.
point 2) We can't walk away from this fight because they will follow
us. As I see it we have 3 choices, convert, fight or die. By
retreating into some form of isolationism (remember WW II ) we can
delay these choices, perhaps beyond our lifetimes, but only a coward
would leave these choices to our children's children.
point 3) We should fight the terroristic portion of Islam when ever
and where ever we find them and we are currently finding them in large
quantity in Iraq, so why not reinforce. It will require a long campain
to defeat the millions of terrorists, however I wonder if Americans
have the resolve or patience for it, Carthage didn't have the resolve
or patience when Hanibal was poised to destroy Rome and requested more
troops and supplies, the end result was the destruction of Carthage
by Rome roughly 50 years later.
Carl
I am not sure this is true. They ARE in Afghanistan and Pakistan, which
is where
at least some of the above-mentioned attacks were directed from. Why do
we only have
8000 troops there now, with Osama bin-Laden and crew STILL not found?
We defeated BOTH the Germans and the Japanese in roughly 4 years,
SIMULTANEOUSLY,
while also building the atomic bomb! Incredible! Yet, we can't find
ONE GUY who
directed several attacks against our country? Impossible, just plain
impossible!
We haven't found Osama or mullah Omar because it was in George Bush's
political
interest that he NOT be found! That is the ONLY conclusion I can come
to. I
don't think Osama is a major threat to the US right now (could be wrong,
too) but
he certainly IS a symbol of the radical Islamic movement, and his
capture and trial
would be a tremendous demoralizing blow to that movement. His continued
freedom
and occasional press releases are a great morale-booster to that movement.
I'm usually not such a cynic, but there is something really CRAZY going
on behind
the scenes.
Jon
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Attack Iraq
No WMD
No 9/11 link.
Al Qaida enters Iraq.
Iraq in crisis.
2700 American troops killed.
War Increases terrorist recruitment.
Halliburton can't account for $18 billion
Bin Laden remains free.
No end in sight.
HEY, STAY THE COURSE. YOU CAN'T ARGUE WITH BUSH'S FOREIGN POLICY
SUCCESS. LOL!
Dixon
And a great deal of that 4 years was just getting ourselves in a position to
fight.
The War with Germany was decidedly political and economic against a country
and a government. The war with Japan was also mostly political and economic
against a country and a government, the ideological aspect that the Japanese
considered the emperor divine is what caused some of the Japanese soldiers
to hide in the forests and mountains and occasionally pop up through the at
least the 80's.
The "war on terror" is not against a government but an ideology (think
Japanese soldiers hiding out for 40 years), so direct comparisons are not
100 % relevant, but here goes
We officially occupied West Germany until 1955, and Berlin until 1990. The
Soviets occupied East Germany until 1990.
We "officially" occupied Japan until 1952, Iwo Jima until 1968 an Okinawa
until 1972. We have 47,000 troops there today,
which while not officially an occupying force actually were until just a few
years ago when Japan was allowed to have their
own military
We defeated and occupied the country and government of Iraq in weeks. Then
we started fighting the ideological "war on terror"
Carl
However..in WW2...we mobilized the entire US. Drafted and put 5 million
men under arms and turned em loose.
The current war in Iraq is simply a statistical blip on the radar.
Think if we started up the draft and went on a war footing..the Middle
East would last 4 yrs..the entire Middle East?
Carpet bombings of entire cities etc...
Iraq IS a kinder and gentler war. Unfortunately.
Gunner
"Liberalism is a philosophy of consolation for Western civilization as it
commits suicide"
- James Burnham
I would find it hard to justify killing the 950 million peacefull muslims to
get the 50 million non-peacefull one.
pick your numbers:
0.1% terrorists 999 peaceful peaceful, 1 million violent
1% terrorists 990 peaceful peaceful, 10 million violent
5% terrorists 950 peaceful peaceful, 50 million violent
10% terrorists 900 million peacefull, 100 million violent
20% terrorists 800 million peacefull, 200 million violent
Based on my son's year in Baghdad I am pretty sure its within this range
Hitler and the Jewish holocost would be for gotten if we did that. I think
we are fighting the war too soft, but would not propose destruction of mass
civilian populations as in Dresden, Tokoyo, Hiroshima, or Nagasaki . Under
the current rules of engagement if fired on we can only respond with
proportional firepower, if fired on from a mosque we can't go in without
approval of the Iraqi government. Needs to be tougher without going
overboard.
Carl
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