Overnight, we have had a number of items forcefully taken from our property.
Two workshops have been broken into. One an engineering shop, the other for wood.
The items listed As far as I can tell at this moment in time are what has been taken. Raptor 30 helicopter Raptor 60 helicopter Exel CT 60 helicopter Radio gear.
The helictopters will be quite easily identifiable. If you just happen to be the theif, I express extreme caution as these machines CAN kill if you do not know how to handle them.
Sorry to hear that Dave, I know exactly how you feel. I still have a niggling fear that I'll go to get a certain tool and discover it isn't there anymore -it's so difficult to be certain what has been taken when you have to make the lists.
As these were quite specialised items it would also be worth keeping an eye out on ebay, and possibly the local ad-mag.
Two boxes of slip guages. Mics, height guages and stuff.
Also, the helicopters have workshop manuals carried in a blue transparent wallet. Also in this wallet is a "raptor" (or is it Thunder Tiger) blade pitch setter and a nearly complete sheet of OS glowplugs. (Not much value in themselves but identifiable as a group)
If anyone has any information on the SCUM that has done this, please contact Sutton in Ashfield Police station on 01623 440999 or Mansfield Police station on 01623 420999.
There is a certain kind of people in the area at the moment. I would assume as to their nature that they won't have internet access. However, they play a certain kind of card to the boys in blue and can get away with almost anything.
I reckon they have driven around looking for likely targets and we just happen to be one of them.
There is a certain kind of people in the area at the moment. I would assume
Hi Dave, If you are talking of people from a "mobile village" I have found to my cost that their method seems to be to survey a town for targets while resident in a town, but not to touch anything. About two weeks after leaving to another town and while everyone is relaxing because they have left they return one night . It cost me two trailers last time & all my fencing & chains cut.
Apparently, there are two "villages" in the local area.
Down town yesterday, apparently, there was loads of mayhem. Fire engines, helicopters, all sorts. I heard fire engines come past us at least 1/2 a dozen times.
Sutton in Ashfield Asda car park was a base. Apparently, kids ran amok in the store then the adults were raiding it. Boys in blue called but from what I hear, refused to turn up.
And they want us to take them seriously as a valued member of the community.
If I catch the b********, my reasonable force will be to stop them from doing it again.
Are there any rules about setting up hazards in the home that can cause the unwitting serious bodily injury? (Mcauly Culkin, Home Alone style). It is usual for them to return again. My neighbour was broken into two years ago. They turned up again a few days later and got the shock of their lives when they came face to face with an alsation. I can't recall any mobile units in the area then.
You'd find yourself arrested, jailed, and probably sued by the poor innocent victim before you could blink. Apparently it is not even legal to put barbed wire on a fence without applying for permission.
That's probably why we have one of the worst crime rates in Europe, and higher than the USA.
On the subject of R/C helicopters I can remember a sequence of about 25 pictures taken by a girl my wife knew of her ( rather arrogant) boyfriends R/C helicopter. Take off, hover ,climb , attempt manouver , falls from sky , hits operators leg , clutching leg , blood everywhere, ambulance etc, she thought it was quite funny. Steve the grease
There most certainly are laws forbidding this sort of thing, not that it has stopped me from setting traps for any thieving pikey that tries to get in my house or workshop.
I am wondering now that the law has been "clarified" that we can use reasonable force and that illegal entry causes the perp to have less rights that he would normally have, then anything on my property that causes him serious injury is his problem, particularly if he breaks to get entry.
If he wasn't breaking the law, he won't get hurt.
As an aside, we are still waiting for forensics to turn up. We had someone come around trying to flog us block paving. Who usually sells this type of stuff? When I challenged him to produce ID, he couldn't. I asked him for some information. He didn't have any, except a "postcard" with details of what they sell with one company name crossed out, another inserted and a telephone number. Most of all, his pawprints will be all over the card.
There may be no connection, but the pawprints are now associated with a telephone number that is on the card. Even if he didn't do anything here, but did to others, his prints will tie him in.
I have been told there is a third camp nearby as well.
I am not normally racist (Are they a race? To me, they are caucasion with a life preference), but there seems to be a common theme when these visitors come. Crime tends to soar. We have seen the police helicopter more this week than we do in a year. Either they are doing the increase in crime or someone follows them around the country, committing crime to give them a bad name. I know which option I favour. (However, it may not be them, but if I was a betting man, I would put money on them that it was)
The law may have been clarified but it has not been changed. The farmer (Tony Martin?) who shot an intruder a few years ago still went to prison for his action, while the thief had his wrists smacked and was told not to be a naughty boy again.
The forensics have just been. Didn't actually find anything. :-(
However, just up the road from me was a house, similar to mine (250 year old stone built farmhouse) that was also hit. I am informed a quad bike was taken. Just so happens, I saw a quad bike on one of the camps as I drove past it this afternoon.
AIUI he went to prison for very good reasons, his actions (setting a trap,lying in wait with an - illegal and unlicensed - pump action shotgun, shooting him in the back etc) were adjudged to be way in excess of reasonable defence of himself & his property. Whatever sypathy you may have for his position, it shouldn't overlook that.
Didn't the (attempted) thief also get locked up? I thought he did.
Cheers Tim
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Yes, but unfortunately it seems that these "camps" are complete no-go areas for the police. Even if you have concrete proof that they have your property they will refuse to do anything about it. And they wonder why people have lost conidence in the police force.
Some of the media coverage at the time really annoyed me (probably the Daily Mail, their sort of thing) trying to whip up anger in the populace by conveniently forgetting to mention some vital facts, such as Martin having been forbidden a shotgun cert - the fuzz must have already had him down as a serious nutter to be forbidden one as a farmer - and the gun being one that had been illegally bought as Joe Public aren't allowed pump action guns in this country (AIUI).
Yes there's a real problem with, apparently, *some* of our travelling friends, but deliberately setting out to kill or seriously maim them is a pretty sure fire way to get yourself locked away.
We had a visit a week or so ago from one, at least I immediately put him into that stereotype, said he was looking for a transit van that he'd heard about for sale. If you know where we live, it's not a place you're likely to end up by mistake. I'm pretty sure he was looking around for places worth revisiting later. I'll be waiting with my Gatling gun
Cheers Tim
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I think I am still with Tony Martin on this one...
How do you lie in wait? Unless you know they are coming, how do you lie in wait?)
I don't care if he had an unlicensed weapon. My view is that if someone enters your premises illegally, they lose ALL protection from the law. After all, if they weren't on your property, they can't get hurt. Seems to me, he asked the police on numerous occassions to sort out the problem and they didn't. I think it is a law and order problem.
My view is that there are laws in the UK, which is owned by the UK population. Where my land is concerned, my laws apply.
How do I go on if they end up killing themselves or each other with MY helicopters? Am I responsible because I didn't show them how to fly them?
If the police are two frightened of them, then divide and conquer. They have the registrations, just pull them over when they depart from the pack.
Often thought it might be nice to leave a few spent fuel rods strategically lying about for them to nick. If the radiation didn't kill them at least it would make them sterile so they can't breed any more of the bastards
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