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alternative to Hatch/Kohl 724 in the works

That is my belief, as well; It's the rockets, stupid...

I have been trying to figure out which Department actually assesses terrorist threats given the HSA reorganization and the obvious incompetence of the DOJ in assessing hobby rocket motor threats. BATFE went over to Justice, but it is not listed as a Division under the Department of Homeland Security.

I was struck by a "mission" statement at the atf.gov site:

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It says that, "ATF's mission is to protect this country and its citizens from the threat of terrorism and violent crime."

That's not BATFE's job according to the CFR which established their jurisdiction over "Commerce in Explosives". Violent crime; okay. Terrorist threats; no way.

Essentially, BATFE is responsible for regulations promoting a safe and efficient industrial/economic infrastructure for items under their control, and to help fight organized crime. Implementing infrastructure regulations based upon changing and poorly perceived terrorist threats is contrary to maintaining a stable and efficient infrastructure. No doubt, temporary regulations may be required and necessary. But those can be enacted by DHS on an as-needed basis.

It is counter-productive to have a regulatory agency in the business of terror threat assessment. The ATF had it's own enforcement division precisely because of the unique nature of BATFE regulatory impact.

Having BATFE doing terrorist assessment and basing regulatory decisions on terror threats is playing directly into the hands of the terrorists; their actions are changing our society in fundamental ways as we react, by way of infrastructure regulations, to their threats, real or perceived. And the skewed perception of those threats exhibited by BATFE/DOJ in regards to hobby rocket motors demonstrates the subsequent regulations will be just as skewed and ineffective. GIGO.

I'm about to communicate this view to my elected officials. Thoughts or comments?

Reply to
Gary
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Nectar of the gods? Isn't that what you get when you squeeze a god?

Reply to
Christopher Deem

I've always felt that it is proper and appropriate to write to your senators and representatives.

It almost never does any good, but at least you can wind up with a pen-pal.

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Anonymous

Gary

this is an excellent, fresh analysis

well done!

- iz

Reply to
izzy

What makes an EX motor with >62.5g of APCP any different that a commercial motor with >62.5g of APCP in respect to a LEUP? None. So, EX is not a substitute for relief from regulation. But it is an option to those waiting for a certain manufacturer to ramp up production. And it's an option for those that would have to pay the increased shipping costs (if they don't have a local dealer or onsite vendor). Buy 'em or make 'em, you still need a permit. Unless, of course, one decides to ignore the current laws.

-john

Reply to
John DeMar

Sadly, that may be true.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

Reply to
Bob Kaplow

when rocketry was 500 or so people with 50 at a big time launch, rocketry was under the radar screeen of ATF and they didn't care.

in the last 15 years it's gotton tooo big for them to ignore, and they worry more then science geeks are doing it. It scares them when JQP can launch a big rocket.

Reply to
AlMax714

Like I said, it would be technically illegal, but there's no way for anyone to stop you from doing it, or even know that you did it.

Reply to
RayDunakin

It's about 40% here.

Tom

Reply to
Tom Binford

But he's going to Florida, not "down south". ;-)

Reply to
Kurt Kesler

Yeah, you're right. ; )

Randy

Reply to
Stephen DeArman

But do NOT tell him anything about grits.

Some things you just have to learn for yourself .

Reply to
Anonymous

Some people think and act like it is. Fear and shun them.

They already require all manufacturers, vendors, dealers, and consumers get ATF permits, certifications, and take tests none of which are rerquired by law except in the internalized NAR/TRA/NFPA self-written universe. All 4500 of them.

Jerry

Reply to
Jerry Irvine

I hate it when I agree with Bundick, but I also prefer Orange over Grape.

Used to sell both at scout camp commissary.

Used to deliver on time then too.

Jerry

Reply to
Jerry Irvine

Some of them are stupid enough and pro-government biased enough.

Jerry

Reply to
Jerry Irvine

The pro TRA/NAR biased posters here cannot understand your message and are merely reactively annoyed by it. The very lack of vision that makes them effective shhple and HPR subscribers makes them anti-freedom.

Jerry

Reply to
Jerry Irvine

Obviously you've not met Andy Jackson (Mr. ASP) :-)

He's the very epitome of southern good-ole-boys...but a great rocket guy, too!

Reply to
Mark Johnson

That may very well be the case. But it's outside the legal jurisdiction of the BATFE to regulate.

If congress thinks that the sheeple want all devices capable of DELIVERING a destructive or dangerous device to be heavily regulated, then they should pass a new law and creat a new federal buocracy to do so. But they better regulate EVERY such deliver device. Not just high power rockets, but Ryder trucks, Boeing (and Airbus, Cesna, Lear, et al) airplanes, Greyhound bus lines, Chrysler minivans, and personal cars. And package delivery companies too.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

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Bob Kaplow

One site does not make a national population.

What percentage of HPR fliers nationally also do EX? I'd say it's a lot closer to my initial 2% estimate than your 40%.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

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Bob Kaplow

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