From the LDRS23 website FAQs:
"Q: What is the cost to be a vendor?
A: Reserved prime vendor spots will be $500 (or $1000 retail value in
product donations), while regular vendor spots will be $200 (or $400
retail value in product donations) on a first come first served basis.
Why not post something like this to rmr?
They reduced the fees due to pressure from this type of exposure.
Now if they reduced them to zero, like previous LDRS's that would be best.
It is onsite vendors that set these large launches apart from other launches.
I just love post-mortem historical revisionism by TRA members and
especially by Ray Dunakin.
LDRS/ROC/TRA failed or refused to get BLM permits they KNEW they needed.
BLM found out (of course) and were LIVID (look it up)!!
LDRS/ROC/TRA were FINED. They transferred the costs to vendors in the
form of a SURPRISE fee so they would not have to reduce the cash
stockpile being sent to Orem as a result of THEIR OWN ILLEGAL ACTIONS.
Gee I wonder how pissed those vendors are?
I bet they are really looking forward to returning to CA :)
1. The permit was $50 and the fines were hundreds of dollars.
2. You will not see this on information controlled and censored TRA
listserv or Tripoli Report or the LDRS article in HPR (if any). Hide all
3. The first LDRS in CA and this shit happens. That and firing a high
performance rocket AT a low flying COMMERCIAL aircraft while I was there
and WATCHING. Yes their flying low is rare, but so is TRA following even
the rules they remove others for: FAA.
The point is that anyone with a shred of decency or intelligence would take
this kind of stuff to TRA first before posting it here. The only reason I can
see for someone posting it here first is to try to stir up trouble.
It's like going online to claim you got ripped off by a vendor, without ever
trying to work things out with the vendor first.
Not if they have ANY historical perspective AT ALL.
Because you are myopic.
When should we START working things out with HPR magazine?
They have been failing to deliver as agreed since 1990.
Oh, Ray, this is 2004.
This is really a doozy, Jerry. From "there is an airplane in the sky,
visible to the flightline, while a rocket is launched", to "firing a high
performance rocket AT a low flying COMMERCIAL aircraft", is a stretch of
even you can be proud of.
This, readers, is why many of us use a ten foot pole when dealing with Jerry
a. A Commercial aircraft
b. Lowest flying one seen there in years
c. A near waiver rocket on the pad (which was announced as such)
d. Flown "toward" the aircraft.
Look. I agree the chances of hitting the plane is zero. That's not the
They not only didn't "hold for aircraft" and it was very visible, they
flew a type of rocket where a visual check is of above average import.
The second and possibly larger problem is the CULTURE of Tripoli is that
the leaders are in charge. If the average flyer felt authorized to call
out for aircraft and the RSO felt compelled to stop when such a thing
happens, then this type of incident simply could not happen.
At my launches even the lowliest of children yelling aircraft stopped
the launch cold. As it should be.
The Kosdon launches I have been to, he stops when there is an aircraft
even within 5 miles!
Both those examples are at the same site!
As usual it is a central Kontrol issue at TRA and leaders myopic to
rules that do not apply to them. But are applied zero tolerance (or
outright fabricated) to their political enemies. That pretty much
summarizes TRA for the past 1.5 decades or more.
LDRS XX btw
Isn't it bad for your knees to backpedal so quickly?
By the way, I was at the launch. I saw the airplane up in the sky. It came
into view seeminly quickly because it was so high. At first, it was just a
speck, but when it formed a vapor trail it could be seen easier and much to
our suprise, it appeared to be over the flightline. It was, however, many
miles "out front" downrange as well as 35,000 feet high. It did kinda
suprise many of the onlookers.
Sad, Jerry, so sad of a person, to twist and turn as you do.
Dave Grayvis wrote in
Even at 15 feet, I'd prefer to use someone else's pole! However, I find
that a 5 foot killfile is pretty reliable :-)
Nothat was a DIFFERENT one.
The one I refer to was LOW (15k), had very little visible exhaust and
was very visible. Again the lowest commercial flight I ever saw at
Lucerne. Obviously the pilot got the NOTAM :)