MARS of NY Press Release

Hey guys

This note is greatly appreciated and shows a bit of class by your board. Thanx for helping everyone plan for next year. :-)

Chuck

I don't know it it was 911 or what but New Yorkers are decidedly more cooperative these days :)

Jerry

Jerry

There are a lot of great people in this hobby, (I believe the government put it at 99.99%) and many of them are in New Yawk! :-)

Chuck

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I am willing to test that theory (again) on my "return to NY.

Jerry

I would hope not... LDRS is a TRA sponsored event. ;)

BS - whose arse (sic) are you trying to kiss John?

Then tell us why John, has MARS caused all the headaches for BRS & the HAG over the July 4th, 2004 date? :( If the MARS officers accepted (that means NOT arguing) with the HAG's proposed future scheduling for rocket use of the Geneseo site, everyone would have known 2 months ago the dates for LDRS 23!

I'm just glad that for all the decisions of MARS (officers) - ahem - not to argue the fact of LDRS (and NYPOWER)... that rocket launches did NOT cease to exist at the Geneseo site - which was becoming a REAL possibility.

So what's your point John? Medal or chest? You still don't seem to GET IT! Austin (the land owner) just want's everyone to get along, and your constant crap about "we were in Geneseo 12 years ago", MARS tm owns NYPOWER tm, ya da dah dah... does nothing to help the relationship betweent the clubs and Austin.

years >ago but have held ten to date.

There's never been any argument that MARS held a launch called NYPOWER back in

1993 , but just in case no one has ever told you the whole (non Viggiano biased) story John... MARS has CO-hosted with TWNY/BRS a launch called NYPOWER from 1997- 2002 - that's, ahem 6 out of 10 or 60% of the NYPOWERs. I could also note that we could have just as easily named the CO-hosted launch back in '97 any other name, and all your MARS-centric issues with NYPOWER would be a moot point. Chances are without NORROC->TWNY->BRS Inc., NYPOWER might not exist as it does today - a point that you seem to ignore.

You're kidding right? Sounds like more arse kissing. The MARS officers basically kiss off BRS with NYPOWER 2003 and you want to help out with LDRS 23? Ha. Thanks John, but no thanks. We're already lining up several Prefectures to help out.

LDRS a >positive experience for all.

Are you going to encourage Viggiano to help out and support LDRS?

DSC

Well... there's always hope, but in reality - after all the problems over next year's 4th - the land owner made the decision to allow BRS to use the site for July 4th 2004. Cooperation level is the same it has been over the past year - nill.

BTW - Your time line is a skew... 911 happened before MARS screwed us out of this year's NYPOWER and the resulting issues, so if anything 911 could only have caused a LACK of cooperation.

DSC

Chuck,

I'm glad you think that this shows a bit of class... but it's pretty much BS. Because MARS officers have been - contrary to John's statement - arguing (to the HAG) about the July 4th date all along, we (BRS) have had to wait and (RE)negotiate with the land owner for the past few months over when and IF we could host LDRS 23. Class? In fact their whining about the 4th & NYPOWER almost cost the use of the site for ALL rocketry. Class? Take the wool off your eyes Chuck!

Basically put - BRS is hosting LDRS next year. Game On.

BTW... how does "this press release" help everyone plan for next year? BRS already released the dates for LDRS. How does Tinnelli/MARS stating that "LDRS is not going to be a NYPOWER launch" and all the other BS help you plan?

DSC

Hey - here's a thought.

Shut yer pie hole.

Seems that some people do NOT have the good sense to figure out when something is over. You don't always need to get the last word in, as last words are never that. You Should have taken MARS' statement, walked away, and continued to plan for LDRS. Stirring the poop-pot at this point does nothing constructive, and actually makes you look pretty bad.

Todd Moore Steve Gerber

I was taking New Yorkers generally. I fuilly unbderstand that rocketeers in particular have to squabble about SOMETHING at all times and have to compete to see who can raise more dirt on the other. You folks are upholding that tradition well.

Was it "insensitive" to Set he LDRS date for the exact date and time as a long running local launch by another host club? Yes of course it was. One might even say an intentional dig. TRA does not care what particular date you picked, so July 8-13 would have been just as good as July 1-5.

Do I respect the club that forms and grows a launch into someting respectible and look down on those that try to come in later and take over and change things? You bet. I had PRECISELY the same experience with Lucerne launches and TRA myself. CA is a non-TRA state. TRA does not matter to compliance at all. If you join it fine, but the main benefot is friendship and magazines, not motor certs, people certs or "services".

The state that provides about 30-40% of TRA membership thanks to Jerry and his fest launches at Lucerne from 1986-1992. That's when there was a "takeover" by Tripoli under Newly "SELF-ELECTED" President Rogers.

By a series of frauds and misdeeds he ousted the former president, elected himself in as presidentr LITERALLY with many so-called proxies, none of which were in writing or verified by phone.

I was the SECRETARY for that meeting. I was IN THE ROOM. **I** took the minutes!!

He also had TRA members try and fail to take over the local club, then when they realized how it was structured they found the only way to take over was to remove me from the association entirely, which they did by alleging I had "never filed for FAA waivers at Lucerne launches" which wa spatently false. Allegations made by the very guy, Rogers, who was responsible at those launches for showing the waivers we DID HAVE to all who wanted to see.

It is a soap opera and the latest MARS/BRS episode is predictible in one simple way. TRA members and leaders are involved on one side. So it WILL be a fight. It WILL be dirty. It WILL involve false accusations. It will result in the babies getting their way any way thay have to, disregarding the consequences to the club, to local rocketry participation, etc.

LDRS could be a goood thing. Why is it so necessary to leave a wake od destruction wherever you go with it? Why not be the new happier, friendlier TRA instead of the old ruthless, vindictive, low and shallow one?

Checked TRA membership growth figures lately? Negative.

Jerry

Actually, it's make me ask what the heck the issue is. Some thorn from years gone by?

Joel. phx

Yeah, really.

Sounds like it - I think there was some similar spillover on RMR a few months back about last year's NY summer launches or some such thing.

It seemed equally confusing then.

-dave w

Jerry:

Best to let sleeping dogs lie.....or something like that.

I will mention that all the other weekends in July 2004 are taken on that field and that the landowner had indicated that the July 4th week was ours before the LDRS bid was submitted.

So give me a moment to don the nomex shorts and let the dogs of war continue.

Al

Further venting may take place after this point:

Poiint.

But it now clarifies the issue without the argumentation.

So I ask, what does a typicak flyer have to pay to show up green and fly a J motor rocket or whatever?

LDRS? NYPOWER Rocketfest? Balls? DARS?

Curious.

Jerry

Doug

It completely clears the schedule for LDRS, no end arounds, no alternate launch, no come to this 'other' launch......just a statement to everyone to head for LDRS this July 4th.........whatever goes on behind the scenes I really have no interest in observing. Clubs are not worth millions of dollars, they are just groups of people who want to fly,but some folks enjoy to being in charge and as far as I'm concerned they can knock themselves out........me? Just tell me where to show up, that's all I need to know about it all. Life's too short to be stressed out. :-) I'm chillin'.

Chuck

Point.

Chuck I can understand your sentiments completely. It's much more fun to just go to a launch...... hang out, fly a lot, watch others fly a lot and only work a shift or two (that's the reason I travel to so many away launches:-) Something you have to remember, though. If it wasn't for those people who "enjoy being in charge" most launches (especially the High Power ones) wouldn't happen. There is a lot of planning and work that goes into these events. Sometimes the process isn't as easy as we would like. Someone has to take charge.......others have to want to do the work (not to mention build, pay for, transport and set up the equipment). We should thank the people who do these things. Without them, we would all still be flying Estes and Centuri (dated myself a little, there:-) at the local park...... off of our own equipment.

Lloyd Wood BRS Secretary Level lll

Has an invitation to Schumer (D for dumba$$-NY) been issued?

ROTFLMAO!!

Yes! If he shows up we're going to put him in the same hotel room with Jerry.

Lloyd Wood BRS Secretary Level lll