Popular Science article

I do think so.

I am asking the folks who were there. Maybe you were not. Perhaps you could manage to be quiet long enough to see if someone who was there has anything "technical" to report.

How would any single individual be able to know all the reasons, for all the catos involving many different circumstances?

Why do your motors cato?

Go from there.

The discovery rocket challenge did more to help this hobby in 18 months then most things I can remember.

We also gained a few members in our local club.

One of them is now L3 already , and I can remember him coming to me in December of 2003 after seeing that show and asking some questions.

It was rerun last month. We had 6 extra vistors to our launch after the reruns.

and one of them is now becoming a new member.

Would you like to replace the last Bittkicker reload I have? It has big bubbles in it. It's the CATO that hasn't happened yet.

I was there. That was Bob Utley's rocket. Why don't you check with him and see what he says. The you can come back with your analysis.

The "real photos" of that particular CATO are available at the MDRA web site:

and the rocket destroyed just minutes earlier by a CATO of another motor from the same batch:

...Rick

Perhaps there is a discrepency between perception and reality/experience.

Good RESULTS should be encouraged.

Hint

REDUCTIONS in national membership: Bad.

Late OFFICIAL magazines: Bad.

Missing OFFICIAL magazines: Bad.

Falsifying OFFICIAL minutes: Bad.

REMOVALS of members without any due process: Bad.

Decertifications of motors for ANYTHING but "safety": Bad.

Decertifications of motors without any due process: Bad.

INCREASES in state regulation punished by criminal statutes: Bad.

Suing the ATF, on the obvious, while refusing to follow the very law you are suing over: Bad.

Jerry

Because you "made" them?

At least that is what you have claimed right here.

you forgot one!

jerry irvine: Bad.

It's a matter of having the right person being the focal point for media for the organization(s). I think one excellent job was the WSJ article that Bunny worked on for at least 6 months.

I intend to go to NARAM and bring this issue up with the NAR BOT. I think it's something that requires as much joint effore between NAR and TRA as our current BATFE struggle.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

I hate watching NASCAR. However, most of NASCAR is not about winning an individual race, but winning a national championship. Points are awarded is such a way that a crash or DNF is devastating and cam not be made up with just a few wins. The incentive is to finish safely in every race, and to cheat at least as much as the other team.

I agree. Even NAR competition gets old and boring if do not have at least one new design to try at each contest.

Alan

almax:

catos' from an MR A3-4T and an TRA EX "M" class motor is several orders of magnitude in difference I think you might agree.

It really doesn't matter as the TRA ignores its own NFPA1127 Safety Code anyway when it comes to TRA EX.

From NFPA 1127:

Chapter 1 Administration

1.2.2 The purpose of this code shall be to establish guidelines

for reasonably safe operation of high power rockets to protect

the user and the public.

1.2.3 The purpose of this code shall be to discourage the

following to minimize deaths and injuries:

(1) Experiments with explosive or highly energetic rocket

propellants

(2) Construction of homemade rocket propulsion motors

(3) Attempted launches or operation of homemade rocket devices

It seems to me that ALL of the above describe TRA EX. I don't see the TRA discouraging any of the above activaities in fact they promote TRA EX to their membership, in apparent violation of their own HPR Safety Code. Might I add that Bruce Kelly et al who sit on the NFPA for the TRA evidently has no problem with the above. TRA speaks with a forked tongue.....

As far as the Discoovery Channel and this Popsci article being so good for the rocketry community as a whole, perhaps it just attracted those that to see and hear things that go BOOM?

Somebody in the TRA that has the BALLS to ask the TRA leadership on their listserver should enquire about the above and ask TRA how they reconcile their own HPR Safety Code admonishing against EX, how then the TRA can even have much less promote EX?

Now I understand Bruce Kelly's RANT about why the NFPA code should not apply to AR (which TRA EX is ).. Maybe he's just against NFPA codes for TRA EX? hmmmm....

Wheres LunarLos when you need him? You talk about NAR Hyprocrisy , this is a massive example of Hyprocrisy by the TRA !

shockie B)

Hi Shockie, you can call me Al.

Nope, a Mess form is a Mess form. that's what I was talking about, not the CATO itself.

Did you fill one out this year ? I will be from now on since I read the request from S&T.

I hope it does. We got more members in our club, good ones that figured out how to do things better then some of the older club members.

We like fast cars, guns, monster trucks and good looking women as well !

Can't wait to watch master blasters during naram week on wednesday. Hope it's one each week.

I was that guy at LDRS-Hartsel #1.

I was there, that's just pure jerry irvine grade BS.

I don't have a problem with the article. I'll say it could have emphisized CATOs a little less but as the author stated, unless you are an enthusiast, nominal flights get boring.

What do you think Bunny would have done differently and to what outcome?

Yea. People get real clost to the A3 and have no clue that it can also come apart.

1127 does not apply to EX. EX generally has increased safety distances. Didn't you notice that people don't get injured in either circumstance.

any more words of wisdom king weenie?

Oh, really?

My rocketeer buddies disagree.

Point is that it gets old much sooner if your not an enthusiast. I know enthusiasts that only get enthused about 'really cool flights.'

I only see you disagreeing.

Where are you "buddies"? Are they real, or just imagined?

Are they felons also?