Popular Science article

Show me any example in which I've been quoted in a national magazine or tv show.

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Start showing some good results, and we'll encourage it!

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From NFPA 1127:

Chapter 1 Administration

1.2.3 The purpose of this code shall be to discourage the

following to minimize deaths and injuries:

(1) Experiments with explosive or highly energetic rocket propellants

(2) Construction of homemade rocket propulsion motors

(3) Attempted launches or operation of homemade rocket devices

Doe not the above 3 items describe TRA EX to a "T". ?

TRA should be discouraging TRA EX instead of embracing and trying to popularize it....

we all know that TRA EX is just a "veiled" attempt at including AR under TRA jurisdiction....Its just another "marketing" tool the TRA uses to recruit members....

Join the TRA where we never met a Safety Code we didn't like.....or follow....or enforce

shockie B)

Read these and then explain why they aren't the same.

Did you notice the increased Safety Distances as well as other 'features' to protect people in case there are problems.

The EX safety code is so safe, I'd even attend a launch where weenies like you have made their own motors.

Zero of the top 3 flights at last years LDRS that gave me the most concern were EX motors.

Yet they were on the cover of Popular Science and overshadowed and gave HPR a bad name.

You cannot unring a bell.

the devil is always in the details..

Chapter 4 Limits of Liability

4.2.1 The Tripoli Rocketry Association does not in any way participate in the manufacturing or fabrication

process of Experimental Rocket Motors or propellants.

4.2.2 The Tripoli Rocketry Association does not regulate, approve, or officially support or endorse any

propellant manufacturing or fabrication process, or in any way imply such approval.

4.2.3 The Tripoli Rocketry Association does not endorse or provide any safety codes for the self-

manufacture of any propellant.

IE Manufacture at your own risk... If you blow yourself or somebody else up, its your fault not ours, even though we provide you a Venue to use the motors you manufacture.

4.2.4 The Tripoli Rocketry Association does not regulate the storage of experimental rocket motors.

Who does ? BATFE of course....

4.3 Legality

4.3.1 The Tripoli Rocketry Association does not claim Experimental Rocketry to be legal in every

municipality or in every state.

IE if you decide to partiticpate in TRA EX, its up to you to research and know your States Laws..

4.3.2 Participants in the Tripoli Research program shall comply with all local, municipal, state, and federal

regulations where said activities are conducted.

But if you decide not to, we sure won't make sure that you are or have complied .

9.15 Other Applicable Codes

9.15.1 The High Power Rocketry Safety Code (1998) shall be in effect, except as modified herein, at all

Tripoli Research Launches.

Since the HPR Safety Code and NFPA 1127 are the EXACT SAME THING, how can the TRA modify such?

Also, Phil, doesn't the above IMPLY that the NFPA 1127 ie the TRA Safety Code does also apply to TRA EX, except as the TRA deems not required?

This TRA EX "safety code" is so full of holes that you could laucnh a Z motor through.

shockie B)

And you still haven't even attempted to try and explain why the TRA safety Code (ie NFPA 1127) stated purpose is to discourage EX.

Is that like shipping 200lbs of class 1 hazmat, clearly marked as model airplane parts, resulting in a big fine from DOT??? Talk about overshadowing and giving the hobby a bad name; what a hypocrite you are jerry.

The one on the cover had visual appeal. With the speed things happens, I doubt the guy have many great shots. To get a lot of great shots you need a fast motor drive. I saw his camera & he didn't have one. My point is that I doubt that he had many good ones to choose from.

That's correct. You have a problem with that? I don't. If someone is worried about it, they shouldn't do it.

No they don't. Thay have said that.

Yep. That's no different that the CSFM incident someone recently went through with certified motors.

Locals hopefully know their local laws. Like NAR, TRA is not a law enforcement organization. It is not practical for small organizations like NAR & TRA to track every law in every state. This applies to certified motors too. I fly motors at NAR & TRA launches that need a LEUP. The no one including the RSO has ever asked to see my LEUP.

EX is not considered HPR.

IMO the main safety part of the safety code that is different between the two is the Safe Distances. The distances have been increased for EX.

I'm not going to because I wasn't there when it was written.

Have you ever been to an EX launch? If so what was your impression of how safe it was?

Where and how is that stated?

Jerry

Your repetitiously posting about it every day and in every way prevents them from forgetting or moving on.

Talk about repetitious - here you are trying to set me up for one of you repetitious cfr rants -

Wait... they've said that? Where? If I mix AP and HTPB I've purchased separately to make a solid fuel grain, what makes that any different than the same essential mixture sold to me by Aerotech? And why wouldn't they have an interest in how I store that? After all, the same organization has an interest if I make moonshine or too much muscadine wine from the muscadines on my property.

Roy nar12605

RMR is neither a national magazine, or a television show.

When you're done whiffin' the glue, you can try again to answer the question.

Then you should sit down and shut the f$%k up and I will cease and desist. Would you like some cheese with that whine...?

No, they don't.

The cover of that PopSci issue has a picture of a Robot Warplane, not a model or high-power rocket.

...Rick

Phil Ste> >

jerry, Don't you know?

I thought you had a LEMP?

Maybe you said; "i am limp".