Status of buying I-K motors mail order?

Which of the three claims?

Reply to
Jerry Irvine
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You actually looked??

Reply to
Dave Grayvis

All three.

Reply to
Dave Grayvis

Well gosh, I think you're on to something there! Let's have permits for everything, that'll make it so much easier for the government to pick out the terrorists from the rest of us. And just in case they miss some, better make sure all those permits are expensive and hard to get, so that most folks can't get them to begin with.

Sheesh.

Reply to
RayDunakin

I agree, but since I'm not a vendor I'm not in a position to test that theory. Which brings us back to the beginning -- what matters most is what the vendors believe and are willing to do. If a vendor thinks he'd be pushing his luck to take that course, and chooses instead to play CYA, I may disagree but I won't fault him for that since it's his butt on the line, not mine.

Reply to
RayDunakin

Yep.

Reply to
RayDunakin

The "small fraction" one.

Reply to
RayDunakin

Yeah, business analysts talk about "minimizing regulatory risk".

-dave w

Reply to
David Weinshenker

Jerry, there are exactly ZERO vendors who sell motors K and above without a LEUP. So you'd be NOT voting with your dollars. Darwinism, where everyone is dead.

Reply to
David

You know it is approximately 2500 now.

That is a small fraction of anything over 5000 (scale to your version of

2500).

I claim FOR SURE there have been over 5000 HPR flyers in the past especially when certification was not a prerequisite to flying (by NFPA becoming law in some states), only an achievement obtained.

I observed the larger numbers first hand, but since you discount my personal account and I refuse to disclose a customer list, you have to rely on logic (which you lack) or third party observation.

Since you lack both faith and logic, you start with a huge deficit to any hope of understanding truth. Hence why it is a waste of time to discuss with you.

Jerry

Reply to
Jerry Irvine

I do not think the law was changed by throttle voting.

It was changed by a change in political winds at the federal level who imposed low speed limits (in a failed attempt to impose fuel savings, at high personal costs in citations, incarcerations, accidents, and insurance rate increases) at the objections of states themselves (Montana for example) and the citizens of those states.

Highway funds were withheld from non-compliant states while funds/taxes were still extracted from those states for highway funding. That enforced it effectively.

Jerry

Reply to
Jerry Irvine

Point!

Freedom is dead.

Long live facism and socialism.

Reply to
Jerry Irvine

So what's the answer? Are we doomed to a permanent infection of government paranoia and a New Permanent "War against Terrorism"?

If the situation is such that we perceive "optimizing our appeasement strategy, lest we become targets of anti-terrorism ourselves", then it's like an example something Gordon Liddy used to say: "once you have them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow".

-dave w

Reply to
David Weinshenker

According to my "jerky speak" translator, this is what jerky said, "I, jerky bovine, have ZERO facts or evidence to back up my outrageous lies, so to cover up that fact, i'll just babble and spew mindless crap for awhile, and then refer to everyone as a "moron" and then claim victory!".

Reply to
Dave Grayvis

War against (insert hobgoblin)

I have a formal solution in process but the chances of it being accepted politically is perhaps 1%?

Reply to
Jerry Irvine

Point!

Reply to
Jerry Irvine

Taking back THIS thread which I started........ I found a nice dealer who will sell me I - J motors for a fair price with just my level 2 certification. Thanks to Norm and Terry for your practical info.

Now, can we end this thread, please?

Joe C.

Reply to
Joe C

Just as soon as you find a vendor that will also sell you a K on that basis, yes.

Jerry

Reply to
Jerry Irvine

See AZ Woody's post of the obvious..

Fred

Reply to
WallaceF

It's been months since the first ruling and at least 1 since the appeal. How slow are the wheels at the ATF to not prosecute someone when the applicable documentation is clearly avaliable.

Or were you agreeing that the ATF doesn't care about JI?

Joel. phx

Reply to
Joel Corwith

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