[TRA-EX] Exposed

Of course they do... but we don't have to let one person try to defend on only his own shallow pocket, now do we? Collective shallow pockets... just like the current suit...

Then what does ARSA have to do with a fundamental right and principle... oh, that's right... you are still in counter-attack mode on ARSA... I keep forgetting...

as a "put your money where your mouth is" move. If this notion of ignoring

Which class? What methods?

Well, gee... they haven't exactly told me I can use the toilet either... I better get a cork. (And that -com- mode of shipment *really* stinks...)

I don't know, why don't you find out and come and tell us.

There you go... "...has to..." is that truth or fiction?

Trying to put words in my mouth? "You mean,..." What TRA/NAR does not allow does not mean that all else is illegal.

Others do. Every day.

You know, most folks I know define "legal" as something that complies with governmental regs... not org regs... but to each his own.

~ Duane Phillips.

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Duane Phillips
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AB - SO - LUTE - LY

POINT. PLUS I HAVE HAD THE "OPPORTUNITY' TO BE INTRODUCED COURTESY NAR, TRA, KOSDON AND OTHERS ON MANY OCCASIONS.

Looking forward to a vacation from BIG ASS MOTORS.

Exacatacaly.

Thank you for recognizing FACT for the very first time on rmr ever.

Nope!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The facts? This is rmr!!!!!!

Mere Jerry

Reply to
Jerry Irvine

correctely,

And you've just answered your own question, Bob. Because Jerry has a LEMP. I guess he doesn't need it while he sneers and thumbs his nose at the BATF. But as soon as they come askin'... "But of course, I have a LEMP. I don't need it, but I have it anyway."

steve

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system user

Yes Ray Dunakin certainly does.

I have had the ***opportunity*** presented to me repeatedly.

Even NFPA is CONTINGENT on if it is required and DOT defaults AP/AL/HTPB APCP to 1.3C with no testing at all.

Hence AMW :)

Reply to
Jerry Irvine

Hello?

Earth to TRA. Earth to NAR.

Reply to
Jerry Irvine

Lying sack of shit resembling snipped-for-privacy@pugetsound.com

And for those offended by profanity, sorry, but I am going to do it anyway. FULLY.

Reply to
Jerry Irvine

his LEMP is irrelevant, unless he also maintains the required records

I would not expect that he would, for materials which are exempt

- iz

system user wrote:

as they come

Reply to
Ismaeel Abdur-Rasheed

It is illegal to add propellants or rocket motors to a HEMP log.

I have been commanded by my agent to NOT put propellants littered/distributed on shelves (3000 lb average) on ANY log at ANY time.

Just factual Jerry

Reply to
Jerry Irvine

Are you saying that DOT and ATF regs for commercial manufacturing and shipping of motors are not "government regs"?

Reply to
RayDunakin

Isn't it illegal NOT to maintain the required records?

Reply to
RayDunakin

Moron detector full blast.

Take my offer of training Ray. You NEED it.

Reply to
Jerry Irvine

You are changing direction... again. Always convenient for someone who crops all conversational background that would necessarily pinpoint his bad/changing logic/direction.

NAR/TRA/ARSA/IEAS/(whoever else) regs do not equal governmental regs... never have, never will. Some may overlap, some may not.

These have no bearing whatsoever on orgs choosing to test, or not to test, motors of their own accord for any reason. There is no law whatsoever that forces an org to test motors. It appears to me that your argument persistently tries to characterize what the orgs do as required by the law.

WRT motor manufacture, shipment, and certification processes, by your definition and posts, one might perceive that you think what Jerry is doing is illegal, and what TRA and NAR requires is required by law.

Sincere Question(s):

Exactly what are you protecting? Give it to me straight Ray, I am an honest and open listener. I have no other motives than to know the truth. I often sit on sidelines for months before opening my mouth (or fingers). In absence of information, I ask questions. I have done so. I ask you now:

Many people post information on why NAR, and more abundantly so, TRA, are off-track in form of actual citations and photo reproductions, with spelled out reasons that become more and more clear the longer one cares to sift out the actual truth, and set aside all the back-biting, and turf coverage. No rebuttalist (such as yourself) seems to do this... why is that? If Jerry (and others) are only pounding a grudge match, how is it that you would not be able to produce evidence to the contrary? Am I to believe that those who disagree with you are just very artfully misguiding the public, in a way that apparently cannot be defended (or at least not very well)? If so, then please tell me why.(?)

~ Duane Phillips.

P.S. If you choose to reply to this post, I ask you to please not crop/snip/or otherwise remove anything from it. To do otherwise (at least on this post) would lead me to believe that you want to obfuscate the direction and integrity of my questions.

Reply to
Duane Phillips

This is either a catch 22 question, or you chose not to see Jerry's posts... I think probably the latter...

The catch: *required* records.

But if the LEMP is irrelevant WRT consumer rocket motors, then... well... Ray would be misdirecting, yes/no?

~ Duane Phillips.

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Duane Phillips

yes/yes

Reply to
Jerry Irvine

ROFL

Reply to
Jerry Irvine

Okay, so how do you propose we go about doing that? If there are people that feel that strongly about this, then I recommend THEY take the bull by the horns, take it to the woodshed, and take care of business. DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE! DON'T CRY IN YOUR BEER AND COMPLAIN HERE, IT DOES NO GOOD HERE.

Reply to
Mark Saunders

You changed what it really says... here is the quote from the orange book...

if the black powder is intended to be used solely for sporting, recreational, or cultural purposes in antique firearms, as defined in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(16)

THIS exemption is for the recreational use of antique firearms. YOU put the extra extra comma and OR in it.

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Bullpup

Let's parse!

  1. > if the black powder is intended to be used solely for sporting,
1a. if the black powder is intended to be used solely for i. sporting, [or] ii. recreational, OR iii. cultural purposes in antique firearms, as defined in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(16)

Therefore, with all due respect rockets ARE recreational thus black powder is also exempt from the code for purposes relevent to "sport rocketry" Sport, ie, recreation.

You are most welcome!

There are legal books focused on parsing in particular that reinforce this (I do not have a link or a scan, to spoon feed you like a baby, yet).

Then there are books on English language and grammar which also demonstrate that if an OR is used, with a series of commas the OR applies to each term with commas.

Jerry

Spoons are free.

Reply to
Jerry Irvine

"Bullpup" wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@enews1.newsguy.com:

Sure looks to me like:

sporting (purposes)

OR

recreational (purposes)

OR

cultural purposes in antique firearms

Why would one use antique firearms for sporting or recreational purposes?

len.

Reply to
Leonard Fehskens

Last time I looked in a "Guns & Ammo" or "Shooting Times", it appears that there is a significant subgroup of gun enthusiasts who are into hunting and target-shooting with old-style muzzleloading guns - ramrods, percussion caps, & all. Apparently the appeal is the "enhanced user interaction experience" (compared to just sticking in a cartridge) - I guess it's like the "reloadable vs. SU motors" trip...

-dave w

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David Weinshenker

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