USR vs Aerotech

Bob K. wrote:

I was adressing the morals issue. Something you've always lacked.

Also, I might add is that a felon can't get a LEMP or EX approval.

Dave,

Your posts are pointless and without merit. Please save them for alt.kooks.

Why are they pointless? Why are they meritless? Please explain.

Oh, and by the way have i been rude to you?

PhilipD wrote:

I believe he is applying for an ATF permit as a prophylactic measure due to TRA's stance and he wants to sell into the TRA market. He has zero legal reason to get one and it cedes whatever few rights he has as a canadian citizen to ATF to appease TRA.

TRA sucks.

Jerry

regarding the potential of circumventing TRA/NAR WRT the IBC/NFPA codes, an AHJ can be an insurance inspector or a landowner. However, if an SFM or county may claim overriding jurisdiction that limits who qualifies as a "recognized" organization.

NFPA 1125, 2001 Ed. (excerpted for editorial review)

Sometimes a manufacturer IS specific about which casings can be used while not being proprietary about it.

CTI 75mm and 98mm motors are "brand A" casing compatible. This is an example of what makes a lot of sense to me. Buy a certain brand of hardware and use compatible reloads. Given variety, I would use different brands of motors. Nice to give the users a break on motor hardware purchase too. What I don't know is if I bought CTI 75mm or

98mm hardware, could I use AT reloads? I remember the hoo-hah when CTI announced the compatibilty. In fact, compatibility may strengthen the sales of the original to a certain extent.

LenB

You should see a K660! Very nice indeed. I have a J210 I am just itching to launch. Pro-54's really do rock.

LenB

I'm sure they would have the Canadian equivalent (whatever that is).

-dave w

Ok. I'm not normally one to pillory someone in public, but you asked.

Example #1 of pointless: DG>No USR motors ever certed with EX or LEMP. EVER!

Yes, and? We are fully aware of that. The thread was not about that at all. The thread was a discussion about TRA's decisions to issue certs not actually based on the written regs, but based arbitrary decisions. You rebuked someone' post with something that not even a debatable issue. What was the point?

Example #2 of pointless: DP> It does not matter who the man behind the curtain is. Is the motor safe, and acting as advertised? DG> Actually it does.

Does this say anything at all besides "I disagree with Duane"? No, it does not. Does it address Duanes question? No, it does not. You said nothing of value, so what was the point of your post?

Example #3 of pointless: DG>Also, I might add is that a felon can't get a LEMP or EX approval.

And? Please explain how this relates to a discussion on TRA's decision making process?

Off topic, irrelevant, and uninformed. i.s. pointless posts. Most every one of them, Dave.

No, you have not. Perhaps, alt.kooks was a bit strong. No personal assault was intended, and I apologize. If you will allow me to rephrase that statement: Dave, please redirect your future posts to /dev/null.

Philip

Unable to follow a thread, Jerry says:

You are complaining that people have to build their rockets instead of buy them pre-built?

1125 says (NAR/TRA) are the AHJ? Glad to see your lack of cite and name calling.

Having a discussion with a Jerry Irvine like you is pointless.

Joel. phx

Alright, if no one else will then I will call bullshit.

Dave, George, Fred, Ray, et.al.

Cessaroni tech has motors TRA certified since at least June 2000. Either produce a copy af a Cessaroni LEMP dated before

07/01/2000, or explain why Cessaroni was cert'd without proper papers.

I have called each one of you out by name. Don't try and slink under a rock and ignore this one....

Philip

None of whom matter.

What did the TMT say when you emailed them?

Joel. phx

CTI does not have a LEMP. We don't require one. What we do have is a factory explosives license issued by Natural Resources Canada, Explosives Regulatory Division. It's equivalent to a U.S. HEMP for up to class 1.1D materials. XP-2050-C50 something is the number. The license is expensive, really hard to get and very easy to lose. The export of materials to the U.S. gets covered by State Department Defense Trade Registration, BATFE import licenses, CGRP, DD2345 ect, ect.

TMT has had the relivant bits on file since day one.

Only one "s" in Cesaroni BTW. :-)

Anthony J. Cesaroni President/CEO Cesaroni Technology/Cesaroni Aerospace

887-2370 x222 Toronto (410) 571-8292 Annapolis

I think the most recent batch of motors that were actually tested and listed (29mm E10,E20,F20,F40,F80,G30,G60) were WITH the ACS paper submitted. They (Rogers and Rosenfield, motors were tested at now burned AT facility) were reluctant to take it I recall because that inconvenienced the whoile issue of saying I had no paperwork. That is when they "lost it" and all subsequent motors too (hundreds). Phoenix rising from the Powertech ashes in less than 30 days was probably totally unexpected as well :)

But I digress that is not relevent to the current point.

It also happens to be false. There is a procedure for felons to apply for approval from the head of the ATF. Since fireworks guys are dinged for felonie sall the time (to keep the brothas down) ATF sometimes grants exceptions, mostly for LOW explosives.

There is NO background check for an EX number.

And of course exempt materials are general access (ie gasoline and PADS).

It is an actual permit to perform all tasks and not merely a waiver of a narrow set of rules so they can catch you up on others. The commonwealth is operating on an explosives reg from something like 1650 (the year). They have actual common sense. God save the queen!

Jerry

But the certification document specifically states "Uses AeroTech RMS-38/440 Reload System and AeroTech I300 Reload Kit. No substitutions allowed."

Absolutely no words about Dr. Rocket hardware but a very visible statement dis-allowing any substitutions.

Bob