USR vs Aerotech

It was Joel, but thanks just the same.

Some people are just sick that way!

Exactly. But no one is complaining nor denying their 'right' to create that rule. If they want to rule that a manufacturer have a LEMP and it be the manufacturer submit the paperwork, they have that right. No one has to say it's fair or reasonable (other than the club members perhaps).

If you want an AHJ over motors produced by a third party, you have to a) convince the current AHJ to add it to their rules or b) create a new AHJ.

There is 'nothing' that gives TRA/NAR the AHJ over rocket motors. Because their membership is able to fly those motors is all the power they have. Create a new club, put a magazine on the bookstore shelves (there is none now) and line up insurance (unlike ARSA). Certify motors based on stand tests. Convince states who have enacted 1125 that it's irrelevant because motors probably aren't made in their state. Give each local club started in the next 6 months 2 free casings of each size. Now there is no 'up front' cost for a new motor system so each member only has to worry about the reloads. Make it a requirement that the club have a 'dealer' who ensures on-site availability of motors.

Would anyone join such a club for say $100 annual (insurance, magazine, available casings...)?

Price reloads 25% below others current market. How about now?

Joel. phx

manufacturer

Huh? Iam. Kosdon is. The rule is "comply with 27 CFR." 27 CFR offers exemptions. NAR/TRA are the AHJ's. The AHJ's have a lawsuit where they themselves advocate the exemption. Therefore I want my exemtion to 27 CFR considered as compliance. QED.

NFPA-1125, adopted in some states. Having a discussion with a moron like you is actually pointless.

Jerry

Both. Dr Rocket hardware is made by the same mfgr as the AT casings, and is approved by AT.

Back in the early days of RMS and HPR certification, LOC produced some AT clone casings, before there was a Dr Rocket. THose tow were certified as AT equivalent and allowed.

But a casing from some other source is NOT certified, and may NOT have all the subtle features of an AT/DrRocket casing. I've seen cheap copies missing important features.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

TRA would not certify these motors. But the NAR would, without even further testing them if made by AT and identical to the certified AT motors. They have already done so, for the PML and RocketVision motors.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

Yup. All the USR motors that ever were NAR certified were motors made by AT and relabeled. ANd ditto of the NCR "North Coasters" of the same era.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

NAR does NOT have such a rule. Quest, PML, RocketVision, Apogee, and in the past even NCR, USR, MRC, MPC, ASC, CMR, and CENTURI have had motors sold under their names that were made by someone else.

Don't know about CAR...

Companies are bought and sold for their licenses all the time. The company I work for has done so several times.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

These days a LOT of what you think of as "name brand" products are made just this way, by whatever off shore shop bids lowest for this months order. Power tools, electronics, appliances, etc. are all made in this way.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

LOC clones WERE AT approved.

Wrong. NAR does not have such a rule.

It IS true that TRA added this requirement to block Jerry. It didn't used to be there.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

AMW got AT approval to submit motors?

Ellis got AT aproval to submit motors?

Can you back this up?

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

Does Cessaroni have an LEMP? I seriously doubt it...

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

He certainly could have renewed the one they had, if any...

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

If they are going to be an AHJ per the NFPA and test to NFPA compliance, then no they can't.

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:) I agree.

Yes.

NAR asks the original manufacturer to submit the motors. At least when I arrived. They would not accept a submission from USR OEM'd by X.

X being disclosed to NAR.

Jerry

It does not matter who the man behind the curtain is. Is the motor safe, and acting as advertised?

~ Duane Phillips.

Those K575's are awesome! All the Pro54 motors are cool, and almost as easy to use as the Pro38 stuff.

Actually it does.