O.T. - On Target...

Excuse me, but I have a severe problem with who is going to pay, and who isn't. Russian and China, and India are not joining, which makes our participation an economic bad hit against ourselves. They will get a pass on spending all the money needed to comply.

If this problem is sooo severe, than why isn't there ONE standard that applies to ALL nations equally ??? Why is it that countries in Africa, S. America also get a pass on pollution levels ? If this problem needs addressing so quickly, why isn't there a willingness for ALL countries to comply ?

Or is it that the true goal of Koyoto is to hamstring the US heavy industry so the rest of the world can play catch up ?? To me, this is the real meaning behind Koyoto !

When there is one standard that applies to ALL nations, than maybe I cant take Koyoto., or a similar treaty as leg. In the mean time, this sounds just like another take from the rich and give to the poor idea that the europeans seem soo fond of. Only they see taking from the rich as in taking from the USA

Just like the ICC, fairness is not the issue, but going after the USA and it's troops, people is. They wanted to go after Bush for war crimes already, yet seem to completely ignore Kerry's self admitted statements, that should result in an indictment of Kerry. Funny that hasn't happened. They aren't infested in real war crimes, but only in going after US interests.

Just like you are..................................

Not even then. China will cheat and fail to comply.

WmB

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The US has some of the cleanest air and water in any industrialized country in the world. Certainly, in most places here, it is safe to drink the tap water (barring temporary maintenence problems).

When I was last in Europe (mid-90s), our professor there (an Irishman) told us not to drink the tap water as it was contaminated (not in the sense of a temporary problem being fixed, but rather as a matter of course).

When our class visited the Icelandic embassy, they told us they warn new hires from the homeland about the terrible air quality in Europe. They automatically assumed nearly a 50% illness rate with respirtory problems for people newly arrived on the continent (certainly was true in the case of my class).

I absolutely agree we all need to work on improving the environment. In fact, I get pissed at fellow conservatives because so many of them ignore the "conserve" part of the label. However, I also believe efforts must be sensible based on cost, effectiveness, and reliability, not mere emotion.

So would every thrid world pisshole and then they'd throw a fit when they got called on it.....

"Ron" wrote

But they're only pissholes because of imperialism and racism (American, of course), so we owe them.

When they start complaining like that I often feel bad about the trouble the US caused in its colonies like American Guyana, the American Congo, American East Africa, the American East Indies, American Honduras, American Somaliland, American Equatorial Africa, and all the others. I can see why they hate us - and why we legitimately owe them - after all those centuries of colonial exploitation under the United States of America. Too bad we couldn't have been like the Europeans and kept the blood off our hands. . .

KL

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participation

The differences in emission quota are subject to debate and negotiation. Taken in consideration are emission rates, financial strenght, capacity to make up for emission and more. The goal of the treaty is not to set back economic growth in some particular countries, nor to take from the rich. But it is a joint international effort to solve a collective international problem. If you are really interested I would suggest to read more about it on this site;

Which battle was it, again, that we fought for them?

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Which Iraqi reactor site did we destroy rendering Saddam nuclear arms-less for years?

Tom

Ouch! Heh.

Which Iranian site will be the next reactor target for the IDF/AF? God knows nobody else has the stones to do it.....

I'll have to remember that when the "burn season" comes: as farmers in Mexico prep their fields for planting, the resulting pollution is deposited by the prevailing winds in south Texas and the citizens of Texas and the USA are told it's OUR pollution problem to deal with. Been going on LONG before Kyoto...

Operation Iraqi Freedom 2003, Lebanon 1956. I suppose you can count Suez in '55 or '56, although that was Britain and France. Meanwhile, what battles have they fought for us? Kim M

Osirak....

OIF fought for Israel? Are you totally aoo? Do you have specific evidence or is this just more mindless rantings of the unknowing but all-talking.

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I may be as liberal as the day is long, but I agree that that is the real thrust of Kyoto, even if nobody is willing to admit it. It would be far better to establish consistent standards (or at least consistent wthin a narrow band of variation) and to provide US technology (if no one else has figured out how to do it) in return for reasonable compensation to get those developing nations there. Darn, that might create jobs in the US too, until the developing nations figure out to build the same devices, at whch point they have even less excuse.

Mark Schynert

You're being much too hard on us. We ran Cuba from 1898 to 1905, and they now have a worker's paradise, not to mention some of the best-running fifty-year-old cars in the world.

Mark Schynert

Well, they were kind enough to sink the USS Liberty for us. I mean, all those US sailors were just asking to be killed and wounded. And, it is always good of them to spy on us and then condemn the imprisonment of their spies when caught. If these are our friends, who needs enemies?

Just a point of clarification, the Liberty was not sunk. Declared a wreck, stricken and ultimately scrapped.

WmB

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And this is where it fails miserably.... You have either one standard for all or none..... Anything else will do nothing but breed intense disgust, and mistrust of others who do not have to pay the bill as heavilly.

Any way you cut it, the US, will take a serious finnincal hit, while other worse polluters dont have to pay the $$$ Why is that ?? Can you answer this one ?

Then if it is a joint effort, all countries and people will have no problem complying right ?? Why don't they want to ??