OT-Aircraft dogfights?

on 9/11/2009 1:35 AM (ET) russ wrote the following:

In the movies, why do people running from cars, run down the middle of the street?

Generally, in real life, unless you know the particular canyon or at least that portion of it, flying into canyons is not a good idea, lest you end up in a blind canyon & that canyon wall climbs faster than the airplane. Flying into canyons in a helo is a bit different.

James Bond films, particularly the older ones, start with him on a previous mission doing some impossible stunt to come out on stop or survive to fight onther day, and then the titles role.

Now imagine a realistic James Bond film. He tries to do that impossible stunt, it doesn't work and he gets smeared over the mountainside.

Troble is the realistic film is only 2 minutes long, how many are going to pay to see that.

Cheers,

Nigel

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"Nigel Heather the-heathers.co.uk>" James Bond films, particularly the older ones, start with him on a

If it were Rosie O'Donnell smacking the wall and the ticket money went to a legitimate charity - I'd consider it. Even more so if she did the stunt herself.

WmB

It is a cinematic axiom that a woman in flight will invariably fall to the ground, often injuring her ankle in the process, usually resulting in her assailant closing the distance to either capture her or force her to conceal herself.

If you've ever seen a woman truly in fearful flight, like say as a result of a prank scare, a starving leopard couldn't catch many of them.

WmB

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And remember this is after going into a dark room alone and not turning the light on first.... oh and also wearing a negligee.

Craig

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In the WW2 and just pre-war serials the bad guy flew into a canyon because there was a hidden airfield there, a part of the mountain would open up as a hanger door and he would fly into it :-)

Seems to me I read a book WAY after the war that had such a hidden airport on Taiwan.

you left out, after the villian/monster tears her top off so we can watch her implants bounce...

Your observation is correct, but doesn't account for human nature - which is to follow or fixate on a leader or target. "Tunnel vision".

Yeah...a smart pilot would not follow a bogey at low level into a canyon. For a lot of reasons, but mainly because there could be no place to turn, extend, or escape if required.

But - in the heat of a fight, if the shooter is saddled and fixated, the bogey may be able to draw him into such a situation as a coordinated defensive strategy...where his wingman could then drop in from above and pop a series of heavy-duty caps in him. Or if the bogey has a turn advantage, that would force the shooter to climb...and he could end up behind the former shooter...if he chooses the right moment/place to reverse.

So could it happen? Yes. Would it happen often? Not likely.

...a friend of mine got killed a few years ago in a canyon in a helo...rotor strike.

It's not THAT different.

russ said the following on 11/09/2009 06:35:

In the film world you can hear in space, a distant explosion is heard at the same time as seen and all other sense goes out of the window.

You'd have thought the pilots in that film would have looked at enough of the older dogfight films to take note that great chunks were being taken out of the wing and engine within seconds of the pilot forgetting to either use his mirror or look over his shoulder.

The chaser was an alien and not very bright?

Except he would have been trapped in the temple with no way out.

Only if Rosanne Barr and Barry Manilowe were each holding on to her ankles......

WmB wrote: : :> In the movies, why do people running from cars, run down the middle of the :> street? : Because the cabbies drive on the sidewalks. Everybody knows that! : : If you've ever seen a woman truly in fearful flight, like say as a result of : a prank scare, a starving leopard couldn't catch many of them. : Well, of course not. The leopard is starving, after all!

And, if this is your idea of fun, you must not have any hearing. Villians neither, for that matter...

Bruce

The Old Man wrote: : : Only if Rosanne Barr and Barry Manilowe were each holding on to her : ankles...... : Oh god, you have to go and mention "Barely Man-enough". Besides, last time I saw a photo of Rosanne Barr, she looked like she could anchor nuclear powered aircraft carriers...

Bruce

I've heard of those in Switzerland. It's part of the strategy to make them highly expensive to take.

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.

Bodo in Norway has one. Not that the aircraft fly into it. They land first and taxy into it.

Wasn't that where Gary Powers flew from ?

A lot of carnard designs have swept wings.

See these examples

Obviously most are protoypes but the Beech Starship is production at least.

Cheers,

Nigel

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