OT - Time for the UK to leave the EU?

"Gray Ghost" wrote

Well. . . Let's say "as well armed and better armored". The two-man turret was a fundamental inferiority.

KL

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Kurt Laughlin
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Not if they did it like the Swedes in 1967 on September 3rd, or 'Dagen H' (H-Day), when the entire country switched to driving on the right at 5 AM on that Sunday morning. Accident rates actually fell at first, probably because drivers were especially aware of the risks.

OTOH, most cars in Sweden were already LHD at that time despite being driven on the left. It might be just a tad more difficult to make the transition with RHD cars... ;)

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Al Superczynski

snipped-for-privacy@aol.com a formulé ce dimanche :

Perfect Analize for me !

You are right, and some "medias very intelligent" know perfectly to take advantage of this kind of situation, by trying (and regrettably by succeeding too often ) to take up Americans against French and French against Americans... but neither some nor the others something have at to win like that.

The same "medias" I guess ?

comment was a priceless pot calling the kettle black moment.

Hum... sorry, my English is too bad to understand this part of your message.

Yep ! Nice race... bravo to Audi, unfortunatly for the Pescarolo team..

I appreciate it, thanks a lot

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Flying Frog

AM vient de nous annoncer :

France is anti-US ? Stop to read your toilet paper, and take rather a serious newspaper... France and the USA were always very close... It is not because we did not follow America in the second Gulf war that we are against the USA... If you have a brother and if you think that he is going to make a stupidity, you make the same because he is your brother? Or you explain to him that he makes an error and you do not make the same? It is exactly the same thing for our two countries.

Stupidity ! You talk about things you don't know enough

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Flying Frog

Really ? Ok if you say so. History is full of examples of france's instrangance/dislike of America. Besides what I posted before, lets just jump to recent history. The un, the oil for food program, the ILLEGAL continued arms dealing with Iraq, (murdering the Greenpeace protesters was nice too) Their anti American statements (want military trade with China to get another mitilary balance to America) seem never to end. We are not their brothers in their mind at all..............

So Mr. Straw is stupid ??? England isn't going to give up their farm subsidy no matter how much bitching france does.

Not England's fault that their small farm industry is SO much more efficient than france's. Not their fault the french are lazy............

But typical french, and european political tactics. Agree to a deal, and then try and change it afterward.

Best line I ever heard about the french was from an English friend of mine.

"England has been kicking france's ass for the last 800 years, so you can expect them to have a chip on their shoulder"

And before you start foaming at the mouth, better check on your parents. Letting them die by the thousands in a heat wave does not show much intelligence at all............

But france DOES has a fine record for surrendering !!!!

Allan

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AM

"Kurt Laughlin" wrote in news:qclte.8443$eC1.3769@trndny04:

Char

in 1940.

The two-man

Granted, that was a problem. But in the whole technical inferiority was not the problem for the French.

Frank

Reply to
Gray Ghost

Close enough to the truth, and exactly the reason I voted to reject it.

You're probably right, I don't think we've seen the last of this monster.

Certainly for selfish reasons (in most cases), but a dislike for foreign influence over their affairs was in many cases a part of those reasons (as near as I can tell from The Netherlands).

You know, that's funny. From where I am, that looks rather like what virtually unchecked capitalism as favoured by the US does.

'Scuse me? Famous for sending in troops to crush disagreement? Which Europe would that be? The one that used to exist behind the Iron Curtain

25 years ago?

Maybe you should read up on the Napoleonic wars, and get back to that statement. After that, rethoric aside, France wasn't really in the business of being a military superpower anymore, being too busy transforming itself from an absolute monarchy into a republic. The 20th century, of course, saw the decline of all European superpowers.

The same could, at some point in time, be said for just about every other nation in the world. Give it some time, and the various American states will join the list.

Hardly. They fought an enemy who just happened to have attacked France as well. You might also want to note that in WWI, the German army never got very far into France, and that France lost most of a generation of men fighting that war.

You just described every nation (including the US) other that Germany.

France in WWII was essentially in a state of civil war. The Vichi government, foolishly in my opinion, tried to stay on the good side of the Germans to avoid losing another generation to warfare. Unfortunately, this was the only legally elected government the French had. Many felt betrayed by this, and some of those joined De Gaulle, becoming the other side of the civil war. Civil wars are always messy and confusing.

Same thing has happened, and continues to happen, all over the world.

Same applies to every other colonial power, once again including the US (which admittedly was much more succesful).

Sure did, and when they were finished, the US took over and then poor pooch really got a number done on it.

So, they don't want to get involved in a war for you in which they are far easier targets for your enemy than you are. Given that Khadaffi isn't the nicest person on earth, this might not exactly be the moral high ground, but had the situation been different, say, the French feeling the need to strike the Canadians for similar reasons, I don't think the US would have been all that eager to cooperate.

I won't comment on the legalese, but the US have a long reputation for dealing with mass murdering bastards as long as it suits their purpose. Pot, have a chat with Kettle.

A description that fits many.

< Frankly anyone that would enter into an

In politics, that applies to anyone's integrity. Rely on it at your peril.

Pot still getting along famously with Kettle, I see.

Rob

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Rob van Riel

"Rob van Riel" wrote

. . . in essence, "What you said about France was more or less correct, but because everybody does it - and the US did something that might be considered to be similar - it's OK, and any criticism is unwarranted."

KL

Reply to
Kurt Laughlin

Oh come now! Sweden pulled it off back some 30 plus years. Are the British that much less capable?

Bill Banaszak, MFE

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Mad-Modeller

Ahhhhh, the 'good ol' days' are back! For awhile there we had a modelling newsgroup. Now it's back to cyber-bloodletting.....

Bill Banaszak, MFE

Reply to
Mad-Modeller

Hardly, but you choose to interpret it that way.

Rob

Reply to
Rob van Riel

No but we beat Napolian so don't have to drive on the right

Reply to
Martin

AM avait écrit le 19/06/2005 :

Hum... You really want that I die by laughing? Oil for food ? Is it a joke Allan ? Too easy to ruin a country with an illegal and inequitable war, and to propose to people food for the only true resource of their country! More, you know as well as me that this program has never worked, and stayed in the only profit of the companies texanes. Illegal continued arms dealing with Iraq ? You should update your information: even the CIA recognized that this information was false! You have the other information more true than theirs? As for the sale of weapons in China (what I do not approve) the USA are very badly placed to give lessons to somebody on this plan! To look to whom they sell weapons was never their bigger concern...

No, he isn't... He just talk in the Great britain's sense, that's all... In this problem, each country try to have the best for itself... and that's the reason because Europe can't be...

You know what ? You an idiot, and continue to speach with you is lost time...

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Flying Frog

And the FTP made it a pastime eliminating other resistance groups at almost every oppertunity. (wanted postwar power) To the point the British were very dissilousioned with resistance *abilities (Operation Bullbasket, do some reading OK ?)

You need to read about Oradur Sur Glane from the german combat troops perspective (2 SS Panzer, Das Reich) Kidnapping the ONE officer (Kraft) didnt do anything to slow 2 SS down at all, and got the town the vengance combat soldiers feel when non combatants from an area that was not that badly affected by the war, get involved in something that they (under the GC no less !!) had no right getting involved in. 2 SS was delayed from the battle area for two weeks

99% of which was due to mechanical trouble, and allied fighter bombers. The resistance accounted for a two day delay only.......

And before you get all emotional about what the germans did, better look in the mirror sometime. Napolean was not very nice to the rest of europe either. He did things just as bad.......

And the theft from the oil for food program is just another example of france/germany/russia proffiteering at the expense of others. And as a result their callous disregard of the norms of decency....... And the continued arms sales AFTER the arms embargo was in effect did nothing more than line greedy euro's pocketbooks, while putting good soldiers in harms way unnecessarally. (Roland SAMS with post embargo manufacturing dates)

English and German

The German side was wiped out in WW II, and the English/American side paid a terrific price in the same event.

My younger 11 Bravo son is off to Iraq sometime within the next year......

My father lost a good friend on 9/11, and I had two friends who just barely made it out of the Pentagon.

So excuse me if I really don't care about your feelings, I've got a lot more invested in this new war than you do............................

Allan

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AM

I think that's largely the crux of the matter. Attitudes in much of Europe would undoubtedly be much different had it been Paris or Berlin that was attacked on 9-11, and I suspect that I know who they'd be looking to for assistance.

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Al Superczynski

Rob van Riel wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@mail.com:

like what

Yeah, America where even the poor have air conditioning, color TV, microwave ovens and cars. We don't hardly generate enough wealth to go around.

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Gray Ghost

Rob van Riel wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@mail.com:

then poor

Yes we stupidly moved in to clean up the mess the French left.

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Gray Ghost

Mad-Modeller wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@nextline.com:

back to

Nope, that's it for me. Ain't got time to argue with nitwits.

Reply to
Gray Ghost

You forgot cellphones, cable TV, Reeboks/Nikes, etc. Poor is what I saw in rural Turkey and all over Southeast Asia. Most Westerners don't know what *poor* _is_...

Reply to
Al Superczynski

Greg:

You and a lot of others on here are steadfastly ignoring a basic point. We wouldn't be in these situations if we learned to mind our own business. No where in the U.S. Constitution does it say that when we reach a certain level of international power we were to take over the role of world policeman. That idea seems to have come with the 20th Century Presidents. Wilson decided we had to straighten out Europe and in April of 1917 we made the biggest mistake of our history, we entered the European War; and, in essence, we upset the balance of power in Europe. Most of the mess of the next 70 years stemmed from that mistake. Remember what our first President said when he left office?? "Avoid European entanglements"! If he were to come back today he would probably add Middle Eastern entanglements to the warning.

Bill Shuey

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William H. Shuey

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