OT - Time for the UK to leave the EU?

You really just dont get it do you ? I am talking about constitutional protections and legalities derived therin. If you come here, yes you are under our legal system and the rights and protections it offers. You do NOT have the same constitutional *rights* of American citizens. Can you understand this ? Your country dosnt allow me the same rights as you, and why should it ? Same in the USA..................

Illegal armed individuals captured on the battlefield get no such rights. Even the Geneva Conventions agree to this. And BTW, we are treating them very humanely. Take a look at history sometime of you want to see how they have been dealt with in the past.

I can say the same about you........................

Allan

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American law applies to anyone on US soveregin territory. However your rights are another story. American citizens have certain rights by virtue of being American citizens. Those who are not citizens, have not made the effort to become one even though they live here or are engaged in trying to kill American citizens have as many rights as thier behavior suggests.

Of course a subject may have trouble with the concept.

Gregory:

Where have you been?? One of the big beefs about our chicken livered approach to illegal aliens is that a great many are getting financial aid and benefits.

Bill Shuey

Back in the 1980's with the Euro built F-16 project we hated August as well for much the same reasons. At least when we did the prototypes for F-18's to be fitted with Penguins for the Norwegians we didn't have those kinds of problems.

He worded it a bit oddly....you would be constrained and protected by US law but you would not necessarily have the Constitutional Rights of a US citizen.

Pogo, "We has met the enemy and they is us."

We should ressurect a few tramp steamers and enforce deportation of all illegals.

Kennedy's a drunken old sot that's apparently slipping into dementia. Durbin apparently has his durbin wound too tightly around his head.

And we have two real enemies - radical Islamists and their supporters. Many of the latter are what Lenin called 'useful idiots'...

But there are still restrictions (though rapidly vanishing). "Out-Of-Staters" (and aliens) still pay more for school tuition (albeit, sadly, many out-of-the-real-world state governments are seeing that aliens are allowed to pay the same rate as locals...)

i believe mr kelly said "and they am us."

That's about what I'd expect.

Rob

Do you have any personal knowledge of how they are being treated now or are you basing your opinion merely on the bilge you read in the newspapers or see on TV? I know first-hand how they're being treated and they're livin' pretty good, particularly as far as "enemy combatants" are concerned. No one is desecrating the Koran (or Kuran, if you like) and evidence has shown that, in actuality, the detainees, themselves have done so....and no one's shooting them in the head or cutting their heads off in front of video cameras, either. By the way, what do you think they do when the Islamic terrorists catch someone with a bible in their possession? If you want desecration and disrespect, there it is, brother.

Our image will never be good in the radical Islamic world (or the Islamic world as a whole to a slightly lesser degree). They stand for the (brutal if necessary) suppression of personal freedoms and total subjugation of an entire segment of their society based merely on sex. The personal freedoms we in America enjoy frighten and threaten their middle-ages way of thinking. It frightens them and threatens their repressive ways. Personally I don't care if our image is good or not good in those venues.

Radical Islam is our enemy and they are our enemy, not because of us but because THEY choose to be. There will be no peace with them until one of two things occur - either they are able to accept the fact that there are people in the world that believe in a religion other than Islam (or believe in no higher power at all) - not likely, or, like insects, they are eradicated. I'm willing to accept either solution and am willing to do (and have done) my part to make either scenario come to pass.

It's not time for UK to leave the EU. Just chuck the scheming Frogs out and then everyone else would get along fine. Simple really. (with apologies to mon amies of course).

We were not put on this world to win a popularity contest.

You hit it right on the head 100% with your post.

These people will attack us, and continue to do so, for reasons you spelled out so well.

Freedom and free people are their enemy !!

I bet if we switched places geographically, we would turn the ME into an economic powerhouse, and they would make our country the poorest place on earth........................

Allan

Al Superczynski wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

What seems most disturbing is that the useful idiots don't seem to mind whom they make common cause with, so long as it is attacking the Republic.

I fear a bloody tide is rising here in the good old USA.

needs equally and trying to have some basic respect for each other?is that too radical well, religion's can't do it, so i suspect ordinary daily business will fare no better./

yeah, and every time the hotheads get a chance, they royally f*ck things up. the stakes are to high for hasty actions.

Heh. No need to imagine - all one has to do is compare Israel to the rest of the Middle East...

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I'm not sure I follow you. Hasty action is a good thing if it's the right thing to do. And proper "hasty" action should be the result of long preparation so that when a situation unfolds a lot of thought isn't needed. Sometimes if you overthink a problem you will lose through your inaction. Decisive action, decisive victory. Seems to be the lesson of history.

Unfortunately the traitors want us to keep thinking until such time we are defeated by our inaction so they can then "save the day" by imposing whatever idiot scheme (read socialism) they can get away with.

I find it hard to beleive that the same party that gave us FDR and Truman have spawned this bunch. Spmething is seriously wrong and I wish the rank and file would rebel.