MDC HO and HOn3 Shays?



Thanks for the note. It's always a bit supportive to find someone whose experiences match your own. BTW, do you think there might be others here who are interested in model railroading? Naw, probably not.
Jerry
Jerry and other MODEL RAILROADERS...
You're probably right... I don't think that there are too many here interested in model railroading. But I'm in to nostalgia... I remember coming here when ALL of the posts were model railroad related. Shucks, coming here nowadays reminds me of the old one liner that goes something like, "I went to see a fight and whaddaya know? A hockey game broke out!" Maybe one of these days, a model railroad discussion will break out as well. In the meantime... as another saying goes, "It's politics as usual!" : )
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J> Thanks for the note. It's always a bit supportive to find someone J> whose experiences match your own. BTW, do you think there might be J> others here who are interested in model railroading? Naw, probably J> not.

DM:
Yes, but what saddens me even more is that the only people who know how to solve All The Problems are busy cutting hair, driving cabs, and hanging out on Usenet.
OTOH, if not for Usenet, we'd never know that New Zealand is the One Perfect Country On Earth, the only place that has never taken part in the rampant atrocities and misdemeanors of which every other nation is guilty.
Ah well, what can we do.
Anyway, I don't know a thing about the MDC Shays, but I say if you can get a kit for cheap, and want to get it working well, go for it. Try assembling one piece of the mech at a time, and making it as smooth as possible. The worst you can do is gain experience. Says a MRR-er who got an Arbour 4-6-0 for cheap and ended up giving the results to a local watchmaker. No permanent harm done, at least not to me.
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I think the MDC Shays can be made to run as well as this message thread has stayed on topic. (grin)
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jimbol51 wrote:

Horizon Hobby Inc. (a distributor) bought Model Die Casting (Roundhouse). They have not reissued the Shay. Go to their website (google on "model die casting roundhouse"), and you will see all their current listings. Quite a few of them are discontinued. You will also find that there are no more kits, and that prices have gone up some.
If you are thinking of acquiring a Shay, I suggest you look at Bachmann's Shay instead, in their Spectrum line. 80 ton, three truck, in several roadnames aand painted/unlettered. Lists at$275, but street price should be at least 30% less. Supposed to be a decent runner.
OTOH, if you really want an MDC Shay, try eBay. Someone may be selling one. IIRC, Northwest Short Line makes or made a regearing kit for them. Keystone Locomotive Works makes a a couple of non-powered Shays that some brave souls have powered.
HTH
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How and with what have the Keystone Shays been powered? jim

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Northwest Shortline made (makes?) a powering kit in HO or HOn3. The original NWSL kits used a tiny Sagami 12 mm can motor. When these ceased to be available, NWSL started substituting a small open frame square motor like those used in HO slot cars. Both versions of the NWSL kit include a pair of truck frame / gear boxes, the rear one of which mounts the motor, and a set of universal joints and couplings to connect the power trucks. The arrangement is reminiscent of the old Varney F-3 power train. The motor sticks up through a new hole in the Keystone chassis into the fuel bunker. The rest of the Keystone cab and boiler are unaltered. The big challenge is attaching the Keystone white metal sideframes to the NWSL gearboxes together with enough of the non-operating Keystone Shay line shaft to look convincing. Geezer
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Really ticking off those of use who were hard core MDC/Roundhouse loco builders, who do NOT want to be paying $200.00+ for a $65.00 kit just because someone else built it and added DCC w/Sound.
Len
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Len wrote:

Well, even $65 for the kit is overpriced IMO. Especially since the dies have long since been paid amortised.
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First basic rule of Capitalism: "Charge all that the market will bear. Not one penny more or one penny less".
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"P. Roehling" wrote:

Would you like fries with that?
You "need" the new model.
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As soon as someone comes up with a "new model" that actually works -and that's based on the realities of human nature, as is our present system- you be sure and let us know.
BTW: don't bother with anything along the lines of Socialism, which begins with the wish-fulfillment premise of "Oh, if only everyone would behave the way I think they should, this would be a perfect world"...
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"P. Roehling" wrote:

Somehow I think that's a political comment.
Pure capitalisim is great for a country rich in natural resources like the US (was?) that can afford what we see as near criminal waste. However many countries, like mine, are poor in natural resources so we actually have to work hard to create the wealth we have. It doesn't just filter down as it does in the US.
Communisim doesn't look great from the position of living in a democracy, but I'm sure it looked good from the position of serfs in feudal monarchies and dictatorships. When the rich have everything and the populace lives on what they can till from some tiny piece of land, less whatever the powers that be steal as taxes, the concept of sharing wealth has to be appealing.
A perfect world? Neither pure Communisim nor pure Capitalism would exist, the US wouldn't be the terrorist nation slaughtering innocent peasants ... Hell, almost everything would change.
Regards, Greg.P.
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On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:47:54 +1300, Greg Procter wrote:

The symbol of trickle-down economics is a two story outhouse. You know who gets the lower seat . . .
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Steve Caple wrote:

You're suggesting the theory and the practice don't match? :-)
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On 2/21/2008 3:09 PM P. Roehling spake thus:

No, it begins with the premise "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs". Contrary to your beliefs apparently learned in 4th grade, it doesn't require any kind of utopian thinking or magical transformations. It has actually been implemented for brief periods in various places down through history, with many happy customers to show for it.
But in a world bound with iron chains to the Washington Consensus (today's world, not George Washington's), the odds are against it. Just look at all the self-congratulatory chest-thumping over Fidel's recent announcement (and yes, I'm a fan of the Cuban Revolution, imperfect thought it may have been: don't agree? Go rent "Sicko" and watch it).
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Oh good: "a fan of the Cuban Revolution".
I suggest you go there and ask about the availability of such items as model railroad locomotives, privately-owned computers, and/or automobiles produced since1959.
What? There aren't any? Gosh, do you suppose that it might just *possibly* have anything to do with their system of government? A system, BTW, that was imposed on them from above -no voting allowed- and that permits no opposition of any sort?
I mean , it's nice that the Cubans have a decent national health-care ystem -which we lack- but all it does in the long run is insure that Cubans can now stay alive longer to enjoy their slavery and poverty.
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"P. Roehling" wrote:

You don't possibly suppose it is a result of the extreme sanctions their largest market placed upon them 50 years ago and has maintained ever since?
Cubans possibly think a self imposed slavery and poverty is better than a foreign imposed slavery and poverty.
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No I don't, and neither do you if you have more than three functioning neurons. I mean, do you really think that the entire *rest of the world* couldn't have made up for the long-standing US ban on trading with Cuba should they have had any reason to? Even though the world has had almost fifty *years* in which to do so? Come now.
There are no new cars -or very much else- in Cuba because under Communisim the country has had nothing worthwhile to trade for said merchandise. In short, Cuba's so poor because their system of government doesn't work worth a damn except in matters pertaining to self-preservation. (And universal health care.)

Unfortunately, nobody ever bothered to ask them. And their slavery and poverty isn't "self-imposed". The population had no choice in the matter when Communism was thrust upon them, and that remains true to this day.
Imposing a Communist government in order to get rid of a corrupt administration is closely akin to performing a frontal lobotomy with a blasting cap in order to cure a head-ache.
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"P. Roehling" wrote:

Of course we can't make up for the USa - go buy yourself a map and a clue. Take a look at where Cuba is situated and where the shipping routes are.

Typical of bullies, you blame your victims!

You dson't thing your 50 years of wextreme sanctions has had any effect - so exactly why did you put them in place and why have you maintained them? if you have more than three functioning neurons you'd know why.

True, neither the Spaniards nor the US asked them before, during, or after their invasions and occupations of Cuba.

They had no choice pre-communism either.

if you have more than three functioning neurons you'd recognise that holds true for the dictatorship the US foisted on Cuba after your invasion and occupation of Cuba.
Cuba does have very interesting railways.
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On 2/21/2008 11:07 PM Greg Procter spake thus:
[first on-topic post in this thread!]

I imagine they're like Hawaii's sugar-cane short lines, another U.S. colonial territory.
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