any Ideas on Bachmann Production for 2006?

Jerry - you suspect wrongly. Had I been thinking of those, I would not have entered a discussion about 2MTs. Please credit the rest of us with a little intelligence and knowledge (although, of course, we accept that we may not match your level in either of those areas).

Then I am afraid that your references are incorrect. We have established that we are talking about the Ivatt 2MT 2-6-2 tanks in the number series 41200 - 41329. That's 130 of them, generally referred to as ex-LMS locos although in reality that only applies to the first 10, the remainder not being built until after nationalisation. As you have made clear, we are *not* considering the BR derivatives numbered

84000 - 84029, or any flavour of 3MT or 4MT tanks, of whatever wheel arrangement.

At various times, the LMS-designed Ivatt 2MT tanks have been used throughout the former Southern Railway / Southern Region from Kent to Cornwall. Your claim that they were of no use to modellers of the Central or Western sections is incorrect. They were regular performers on lines in Surrey & Sussex in the area between Guildford & Brighton. Further west, I believe they worked on the Lymington & Swanage lines, although I stand to be corrected on that. They were certainly no strangers to the S&D "main line" (and, of course, "the branch" to Highbridge etc.) and they knew their way around Weymouth Quay. In the WestCountry they saw service on the coastal branchlines to Lyme Regis, Seaton, Sidmouth & Exmouth, the Callington line from Plymouth, and the network of lines in North Devon and North Cornwall generally referred to as "the withered arm". They were used in southeast London, on cross-London inter-regional trains and on station pilot duties at Waterloo. Southern region allocations over the years include: Ashford, Barnstaple Junction, Bath (Green Park), Bournemouth, Bricklayers Arms, Brighton, Eastleigh, Exmouth Junction, Faversham, Guildford, Highbridge, Nine Elms, Plymouth (Friary), Ramsgate, Salisbury, Stewarts Lane, Templecombe, Three Bridges, Tunbridge Wells, Wadebridge, Weymouth, Yeovil. Apologies if I've missed any out of that list.

So, Jerry, as I said - your claim that they were only used in East Kent was indeed "Yet another totally incorrect statement from Jerry". It doesn't always pay to be dogmatic, intolerant and abusive - it leaves you vulnerable and erodes your credibility. Perhaps you should take your own advice and "Cite shed codes and working rosters / WTT to back you assertions up".

TOS

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The Old Salt
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Jerry, the only person getting confused is yourself.

You are the one urging everyone else to "get it right". You are the one telling everyone else they don't know what they are talking about. You are the one telling us we are talking about the wrong locos. You are the one who is now bringing standard tanks into the equation - the rest of us have been discussing Ivatt 2MTs.

In fact, if I can remember that far back, I think the original discussion was about the 2MT tender locos and it was actually you who brought the tank version into it!

Please keep up at the back!

TOS

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The Old Salt

Is Corfe Castle in Kent?

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Christopher A. Lee

discussion

No, I was originally talking about the 2-6-0 2MT's (as was JT originally), and they most certainly didn't work on the SR(egion) - normally anyway -, it was JT who stated on about the 2MT tanks and just to confuse things further bought the BR Standards into the discussion!

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:::Jerry::::

Precisely - that's what I just said. At least we agree on one thing, even if you don't think you do!

Unless I'm very much mistaken, nobody actually said they did. Seems to me that you misread something, thought someone was saying something they weren't (and, even worse, something with which you disagreed!) and threw another of your wobblies. Just take it easy, keep calm, accept that we all (including you) get it wrong sometimes - premature senility is a wonderful thing! If you're trying to make a point, do it nicely - people will take much more notice of you and we'll all gain in the long run.

See - I haven't sworn or shouted once *and* I've passed on some information about Ivatt tanks which I'm sure someone somewhere will find useful.

TOS

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The Old Salt

Forgot to say - if you don't believe any of that information, Jerry, it's all easily verifiable from published sources, photographic evidence, personal observation records etc. I don't need to "Cite shed codes and working rosters / WTT to back you assertions up". My comments were facts, not assertions, hence do not need "backing up". Also, I have no need to try to impress others or prove some kind of imagined superiority by continual reference to my access to such items.

TOS

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The Old Salt

Read the thread TOS(ser), and stop trying to troll by taking things out of the linier time scale in which they were made.

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:::Jerry::::

Hi all

A bit of info on 2MT 2-6-2t Sheds allocations on SR central or western division Jerry.

41206 Templecombe 41208 Templecombe 41210 Salisbury 41213 Barnstaple 41214 Templecombe 41216 Templecombe 41223 Templecombe 41224 Bournmouth 41227 Nine Elms 41228 Nine Elms 41230 Bournemouth 41238 Bournemouth 41242 Templecombe 41243 Templecombe 41245 Barnstaple 41248 Barnstaple 41249 Templecombe 41260 Bournmouth 41261 Weymouth* 41270 Bournemouth 41275 Bournemouth 41276 Barnstaple 41284 Nine Elms 41283 Templecombe 41287 Eastleigh 41290 Templecombe 41291 Templecombe 41292 Exmouth Junction 41293 Weymouth* 41294 Eastleigh 41295 Bournmouth 41296 Templecombe 41297 Eastleigh 41298 Nine Elms 41299 Eastleigh 41300 Salisbury 41301 Weymouth* 41302 Exmouth Junction 41303 Bournemouth 41305 Weymouth* 41306 Exmouth Junction 41307 Templecombe 41310 Weymouth* 41311 Weymouth* 41312 Nine Elms 41313 Eastleigh 41314 Bournemouth 41315 Salisbury 41316 Bournemouth 41317 Bournemouth 41318 Exmouth Junction 41319 Nine Elms 41320 Bournemouth 41321 Exmouth Junction 41322 Exmouth Junction 41323 Exmouth Junction 41324 Weymouth* 41325 Eastleigh 41326 Brighton 41327 Brighton 41328 Eastleigh 41329 Eastleigh

  • Western Region but worked the Southern as well. All are Final sheds

Hope this helps "Jerry" And "The Old Salt" would be nice to know your real name All the best Steve.

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The Parkys

I *have* read the thread Jerrry. Two things stand out:

  1. In your usual bombastic manner you have made statements about the allocation and working patterns of a group of locos. Those statements were incorrect, as I and others, have pointed out. (As an aside, this is by no means the first time that you have gone down this route. People need to be aware that much of your alleged "historical fact" is actually far from that and is not to be relied on, no matter how strong your protestations.)
  2. With one notable exception, the thread has unwound in a controlled, affable and informative way. Unfortunately, that exception is you. As ever, you are unable to accept graciously that you got it wrong, preferring instead to throw unwarranted and unnecessary insults and accusations at anyone who happens to be in range. The only person who has resorted to this is yourself, again by no means for the first time. Please do yourself, and the rest of us, a favour Jerry and try to show a mature and pleasant outlook - it's really not that difficult to be nice to people.

Quite honestly, I think it's pointless continuing this. I doubt that you are capable of behaving in a socially-acceptable manner for any length of time, and I'm sure that others are getting as bored as I am with your outbursts. If you wish to continue, or perhaps sign up for socialisation sessions, then I suggest you contact me off-list.

TOS

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The Old Salt

I think another example, Jerry, of where you should take heed of your own advice! Your track record in providing accurate information isn't really all that good, is it?

Changing the topic slightly, is there any connection between yourself and the group of people collectively known as Xpressbooks? They became quite notorious a couple of years or so ago on various e-groups due to their bombastic, intolerant and supercilious attitude towards others, particularly those who held different opinions to themselves. This usually manifested itself in emails of steadily-worsening content, culminating in a final uncouth outburst. The similarity between that and yourself seems too close to be a coincidence. I believe they now "own" the "Britishrailway" google group.

TOS

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The Old Salt

Just for information, the 'group' of people collectively known as 'XPressbooks' is not a 'group' at all. It is a one William Siegfried Becket who lives up in North Wales and publishes old WTT's under the 'XPressbooks' label. XPressbooks is a one-man business, running out of an upstairs bedroom in Mr Becket's house. There is no 'group' of people at all. Mr Becket does indeed 'own' the Britishrailway group.

Graham Plowman

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gppsoftware

I remember seeing his/hers/its posts and only just realised they have not been around of late, under that name!!!

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Piemanlarger

Graham - thanks for that. Another of life's mysteries clarified a little. I always had the impression that there were a number of people posting under a common name. A pity about Mr Becket - a lot of interesting & useful information, but a total lack of social skills. I see that Jerry managed to avoid answering the question . .

TOS

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The Old Salt

":::Jerry::::" wrote

lots of abuse.

For goodness sake Jerry. Grow up and stop insulting people. It must be getting bad if I've come out of lurk mode.

Jim

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The Smiths

TOS,

I could tell you all kinds or stories that Mr Becket has posted - and yes, I have noticed that he seems to have disappeared on the groups of late (his principal ground was the GWR-eList and the LNER groups) - mind you, he did have health problems and I think too many people were becoming aware of his pretending game! As I am sure you are aware there was supposed to be a team of ex BR professionals who had all worked on the railways and moved from carpet sweeper to CEO! I did have their names somewhere, but none are real people. Mr B himself told us that he had entered BR service as an apprentice and then ended up as some kind of high-flying problem solver, yet when I tried to find out about him through numerous connections in the right places, no-one had ever heard of him bar one person who worked with him when he was a station master on some remote North Wales station prior to his retirement around 1990. Mr B frequently spoke with knowledge of the 'wages grades' but seemed to know little about the management grades which he told us he was a member of. If one collects his e-mails and then cross references them between different forums, one quickly finds amusing entertainment in spotting all the inconsistencies and it becomes obvious that most of the references to his 'career' were untrue. Attempts at obtaining references revealed no useful information. What Mr B did tell us was very similar to what Gerald Feinnes wrote in his book 'I tried to run a railway'. I think Mr B 'modelled' himself on Mr Feinnes' career and presented himself as such!

I guess if one is interested in naval gazing at old WTTs then Mr B's information might be useful!

Graham Plowman

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gppsoftware

posting under

Like you do, you mean?

Prove that you don't......

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:::Jerry::::

Their home page now states "Information regarding our 2006 range of Bachmann Branchline and Graham Farish models will be released in conjunction with the London Toy Fair. Details will also be posted on this website from 1200hrs. on Wednesday 25th January."

Cheers, John.

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John Lancaster

Thats interesting, we can presume the range is finalised now perhaps having taken note of Hornby's plans? I wonder if advanced order sheets will be sent to retailers as with hornby?

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Piemanlarger

"Piemanlarger" wrote

I'd like to think that would be the case, but if research & development time are taken into account then I reckon Bachmann will have known what their plans are for 2006 'new releases' for at least twelve months!

John.

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John Turner

We know that, they were in the 2005 catalogue!!!

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Piemanlarger

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