Moaning about new models.

So why should it cost any manufacturer *more* to produce something wrong than right.... ???? Let's all buy cars with 3.5 wheels because it's cheaper for the manufacturers to produce and it will give them more profit..... that's the trouble with this country, we've been used to being cr****d on too long.

Colin.

I was once privileged to have a flight in a "Frightening" Lightning fighter, after rotating at the end of the runway at RAF Binbrook the aircraft climbed vertically (passing through the sound barrier on route) to its operating altitude. I see no reason why my model railway cannot emulate this feat ... after all it's based on older, more established, reliable and understood technology. :-)

Exactly, it's not as if the technology and knowhow isn't out there because it is....there is no excuse on this earth for ANY manufacturer to get "anything" wrong !!!

Colin.

The minimum speed, for any locomotive, is 0 m.p.h.

If speed is a measurement of movement, how could it be "zero"...;-)

Colin.

Quantum mechanics gone mad?

Alan

I share the same opinion (although I have no objection to those who don't), especially when there are such gross inaccuracies as gauge, track profile and couplers with UK R-T-R stock. The newer Hornby locos are a major inmprovement in terms of accuracy, detail and running quality, although some of the add-on details can be quite fragile.

When the speedometer reads "0".

Only if it gets hit by a similar loco travelling 10 or 12 mph.

Chris Wilson

And I bet you had to come straight back down again before you ran out of fuel! :-)

-- Enzo

I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.

We went down again all right ...

... and then the sky darkened as the Victor obliterated the sun it's pulsing proboscis advancing towards us. For a while we drank thirstily as we lay there in the wake of the floating giant, satiated we moved abeam before hauling to starboard to visit Denmark, minutes later we described a gentle left hand orbit of the North sea taking in Norway before a short detour put Iceland on the horizon as we climbed to the absolute limit. A 180 and gentle descent opened up the land of the Scots to us as is passed by again to starboard before landing once more.

T5 - just come back from a maintenance unit ... sat in for the full flight test. One very, very happy little Air Cadet. :-)

Less than 2 years later they were all gone. :-(

In message , Colin Meredith writes

Consider it as the limit of an ever-decreasing sequence of non-zero speeds.

Cheers Robt P.

Chris Wilson

And possibly a little queasy as well?

I've never flown in a Frightening, but I have flown in Harriers and Tornados. Since the withdrawal of the Lightning the RAF hasn't had anything that could compete in terms of pure, brutal power. Certainly that unlimited climb trick cannot be matched by anything these days except the F-15, F-16* and F-18, but the Lightning was doing it twenty years before.......

• - I speak from personal experience. I've flown in an F-16 which did the same trick. Straight up as soon as the gear was locked and we didn't level off until we hit 45,000ft. 'Course, the F-16 doesn't spend an awful lot of time at supersonic speeds (fixed intake geometry will do that for you) so my experience didn't quite match yours.....

-- Enzo

I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.

and we are going to comtinue to do so. Waht locos have you baught in the last 12 months??

"Mike Parkes" wrote maybe the answer is not to buy a model until around its third

Mike, In theory you may be correct, but in practice if my 5 years in the model retail trade were of any value, I learned that when a new model is produced, it is not until the third livery is released that any breaking even is done to balance the outlay of design and manufacture. (using an EFE model bus as an example here)... If we didn't buy the first release (due to an error, or a wrong choice in livery) will there be a second batch? Of course, in the railway world, we would look at this as a batch, as we often get 3-4 liveries in the first release...

Maybe other retailers will remember (That stock EFE's) how long was it till the second Plaxton Pointer came out? and how many of the original Metroline ones were left on the shelves?

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"Colin Meredith" wrote in 5-10 years from now there shouldn't be any poor models of

No, I'm sorry, I disagree... ! There will still be someone saying their Lima is the Dogs dangly bits! and plenty knocking about second hand... Though I guess you mean NEW RTR. ?

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"Roger T." wrote

every loco comes with a replacement wheel set that can

Roger, I had an unfortunate accident with my new 50 the other night (a fall onto the workbench!) which resulted in one axle being bent.... The gear is part of, or slipped over a plastic tube which takes the metal wheels at either end, thus insulated, so I'm guessing that the replacement of normal wheels from a traction tyred one may not be too difficult... Traction tyres = mucky track!

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I disagree Si...... "WE" are not all going to continue buying the rubbish pushed-out by the relevant manufacturers.

Over the years I have purchased certain models but only to sell them again at a profit....I have also purchased/collected models for other people.

The UK market is, in many peoples words, absolute "CRAP".....

Colin.

Well I've considered it..... but if they're non-zero then they're travelling at a figured speed as in a movement above "0"...

Colin.