" I'll tell you what, why settle for a railway engine, ISTM that he
could be a prime candidate for a *permanent* occupier of the 'Four
Plinth' in Trafalgar Square - rather than =A0all this modern conceptual
and or politically correct 'art' that they keep placing there... "
Until the BNP got into power !
" But on the subject of naming railway 'locomotives', I would like the
APT-E fully restored and then named "Frank Whittle".... " Now that
IS a good idea ! I thought it had been restored and @ The National
Railway Museum at Shildon ?
:: But on the subject of naming railway 'locomotives', I would
:: like the APT-E fully restored and then named "Frank Whittle"
: Now that IS a good idea ! I thought it had been restored and
: @ The National Railway Museum at Shildon ?
I doubt that it's got any engines, IIRC they were removed when it
stopped being tested - they would have had either substantial
resale or scrap value. When I said fully restored I meant to full
running condition, not just cosmetically.
On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:12:13 -0800 (PST), email@example.com
Absolutely. And I am Not Happy that the government is willing to
bail out the idiot banks who caused this titanic clusterfuck, to the
tune of a year's GDP, but refuses to contemplate a bail-out for LDV,
one of our very few remaining indigenous vehicle manufacturers.
: On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:12:13 -0800 (PST),
: said in
: >The problem is Richard, for the most part, the UK does not
: >anything now ..... it's all 'services'.
: Absolutely. And I am Not Happy that the government is willing
: bail out the idiot banks who caused this titanic clusterfuck,
: tune of a year's GDP, but refuses to contemplate a bail-out for
: one of our very few remaining indigenous vehicle manufacturers.
Apart from the point about having to bail out the banks, they are
indeed to big and integrated to fail (and they know/knew that,
hence they became increasingly reckless), I agree - the problem
though seems to be with the brain-dead in the EU rather than HMG,
even the Germany and France are having the same problem but seem
to be prepared to tell the EU were to go if needs be, but then
they haven't got a anally retentive ex EU commissioner deciding
of their national business policy like the UK has now.
If your local authority/NHS bought LDV's instead of Fiat/Iveco/Renault/
Mercedes/any other make, the LDV wouldn't need bailing out. Whilst I have
zero tolerance for the crooks high up in the banks, our manufacturing
problems are home grown - by us, there is no "them".
On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 03:14:28 -0600, beamends
It does buy some, and so does the Post Orifice and various other
places. But the export market is impacted by exchange rates and all
buyers are being squeezed. Germany and France still have
manufacturing industry because they had bail-outs and protectionism;
we eschewed these in favour of worshipping Loadsamoney types. Of
course it's "us" - for values of us that might be using
British-built vehicles every day in my case, and ones with a Queen's
Award for Export at that - but in cases like this is may well be
cheaper for the public purse to underwrite a debt temporarily than
to pay for unemployment benefits for the staff. And what the hell
is wrong with offering the same consideration to people who actually
add value that we are apparently prepared to offer to a load of
people who can't spot why loaning money to bad credit risks might
not be a great idea?
: If your local authority/NHS bought LDV's instead of
: Mercedes/any other make, the LDV wouldn't need bailing out.
Whilst I have
: zero tolerance for the crooks high up in the banks, our
: problems are home grown - by us, there is no "them".
But that purchasing policy comes down from central Govt and
indirectly the EU - from the times I've spent in France and Spain
I don't recall seeing many (if any) 'non native' manufactured
public service type vehicles. The UK buys everything on price,
nothing else matters, it's very true what is said about the UK -
we know the value of everything but the worth of nothing...
I actually agree - I'm a great believer in the "One pound battleship"
line of thinking. While building battleships is probably not quite the
right thing for these times, seeing the Coastguard driving round in
L200's with zero UK content when we make far superior vehicles here with
a very high UK content just seems like UK PLC doing it's best to commit
 This is a theory from the 30's depression. If you employ many
thousands to build a battleship and generate business for suppliers, the
taxes raised, rather than paying the dole, mean the ship actualy only
costs £1. I don't think that ever did work out exactly, but it keeps the
The modern equivalent though, judging buy the railway, is to import
trains and create 1500 jobs in Japan and 500 here;-)
It was great idea from their point of view since they were earning huge
personal commission on every loan they approaved, none of which has yet been
There's a lot of consternation locally that the council is still purchasing
Peugot vehicles when the company long since transferred production to
eastern europe to save on labour costs.
On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:59:00 -0000, "kim" said in
I don't know but FGW have just invested £1m per unit overhauling the
HSTs, which have been in service for the thick end of thirty years
and a million miles apiece, so probably not that many per journey.
LDV Leyland DAF Vehicles. Do any of you recall the DAF 66 car
( subsequently to become the Volvo 66 ). A fellow student at uni'
once told me his could go as fast backwards as it could forwards due
to the auto gearbox ?
Did any other machines have a 'sliding gear' arrangement like a steam
It's not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of fight in the