The price of our pleasures!

Especially for the trader, in fact being able to fit into a pocket could well be a distinct disadvantage to the trader... :~(

The Hornby (ex-TriAng?) LMS mail coach has central corridor connections.

I don't think the current one dates from Tri-ang days, the one I had was shorter but did have offset corridor connections.

quickest way to find a pic of one was on ebay

G.harman

I simply picked up 1874 from someone else's posting. If the correct date is

Greg.P.

I wasn't around in 1893 or for quite some time after, so I'm forced to go with what I have read. The discussion is interesting as it's forced me consider that the reason might have been due to internal space organisation purposes - leaving me pondering 'instead of?' or 'as well as?'

Greg.P.

F*ck all left to reply to.

: wrote: : : >

: > "Jerry" wrote : >

: >> Many people have written utter crap in their time, not to speak : >> ill of the dead but even the great Cyril Freezer was not immune : >> from writing some utter clap-trap about model railways, the great : >> Cecil J Allen wasn't immune from making mistakes in his articles : >> about the real railways either... : >

: > They weren't the only ones, but I'll refrain from naming names. : >

: > John. : >

: : I wasn't around in 1893 or for quite some time after, so I'm forced : to go with what I have read. The discussion is interesting as it's : forced me consider that the reason might have been due to internal : space organisation purposes - leaving me pondering 'instead of?' or : 'as well as?' :

Or, far more likely, that you are simply wrong (and a liar, about the book[s]).

Oddly enough I thought that I had already explained why!!

"Alistair Wright" wrote

They may have got the return crank correct, but for many years Tri-ang & later Hornby, insisted on putting the coupling rods on the wrong way round, with the 'hinged portion' forward of the centre driver rather than to its rear.

John.

It has indeed been interesting and well done.

Cheers, Simon

The Hornby one is on the standard 57ft chassis, but has the same or similar mechanical actuation to the Tri-ang, as opposed to the electrical operation of the 3-rail Hornby Dublo version.

I've accepted that I _may_ be wrong - and others her have pointed out that prolific writers such as Cyrll Freezer and Cecil J Allen were often purveyors of erronious information. As to the personal insult, the only reason you're not struggling under the label you attempt to place on me is that you never say anything that anyone anyone considers worth commenting on.

Regards, Greg.P.

: > : : > : I wasn't around in 1893 or for quite some time after, so I'm : > forced : > : to go with what I have read. The discussion is interesting as : > it's : > : forced me consider that the reason might have been due to : > internal : > : space organisation purposes - leaving me pondering 'instead : > of?' or : > : 'as well as?' : > : : >

: > Or, far more likely, that you are simply wrong (and a liar, about : > the book[s]). : >

: : I've accepted that I _may_ be wrong - and others her have pointed out : that prolific writers such as Cyrll Freezer and Cecil J Allen were : often purveyors of erronious information. : As to the personal insult, the only reason you're not struggling under : the label you attempt to place on me is that you never say anything : that anyone anyone considers worth commenting on. :

Care to cite the books you were referring to, if you can cite (checkable) book(s) I will withdraw my accusations of lying,

Christopher,

Coming in to this a bit late, but your last paragraph might be a clue to the situation. The specialist GPO coaches with offset corridor connections were in use long before corridor connections came into use in passenger carrying stock.

The only source of information I have is on the Midland where Clayton was replacing existing PO carriages in the 1870s with the specification being the corridor connections to be in the nearside of the vehicle. As far as I can deduce on a quick read, the vehicles were originally run in pairs and there was only a connection at one end of each of the carriages to allow access between them. Subsequent development and replacement of PO vehicles seems to have been done on a piecemeal basis where new vehicles had to fit in with what was current. Many of the Midland vehicles lasted well into the LMS period.

I haven't got any details of what the LNWR would have done since they were very much the main operator of GPO vehicles on the west side of the country, but it's a fair bet that they maintained a similar policy to the Midland.

So it would appear that the offset corridor connections were set by the original PO carriage designers in mid Victorian times - probably to make optimum use of space - and the rolling replacement of vehicles through the years meant that the feature was retained to maintain standardisation.

Jim.

And what if he can't. Someone who *believes* they have read something in the past may be wrong, but, unless you can show intent, they're hardly a liar.

MBQ

:> Care to cite the books you were referring to, if you :> can cite (checkable) book(s) I will withdraw my :> accusations of lying,

: And what if he can't. Someone who *believes* they : have read something in the past may be wrong, but, : unless you can show intent, they're hardly a liar.

Ask me to cite the book that I believed that the information was/is in, go on "MBQ", prove that you are not a mouse but a reasoning man - hang on, that's an insult to a mouse, they are far more capable of intelligent thought than you are and will ever be...

Most PO carraige builds and rebuilds were for specific services so standardisation wasnt so important.

Cheers, Simon

They were books I read 40-50 years ago - I could visit my old high-school library (1000km+ distant) but they have probably been withdrawn by now. At the time I read them I considered the authors to be more knowledgable than me. As to withdrawing the accusation of lying, that is of less interest to me than the reason why you would make such idiotic accusations in the first place. Presumably either you don't make such accusations in public under similar circumstances or you practice masochisim.

Regards, Greg.P. NZ

I definitely read it! However after 40-50 years I can no longer cite the publications. Sometimes such bits of information stay in my head, while things like anniversary dates wander off.

Greg.P.