CNC Training - For Real! (I hope)

This is *EXACTLY* the type of person who can be trained to be a great machinist and *EXACTLY* the type of person that Kirk Gordon's program will never get.

He's the kind of person who gets hired at the company I work for and excels.

Jon Banquer San Diego, CA

Nope. What you're looking for are people who won't call you out on your never ending line of B.S. Your looking for the same kind of people that Tom Brewer and Joe 788 look for. The problem is that most people who don't have the guts to call you out for being a phony jerk that has lousy ideas don't usually make it as independent problem solvers.

Jon Banquer San Diego, CA

How many people have you hired, Jon? I'd wager you've been fired from more jobs than everybody on this board combined. You talking about "real machinists" is about like you trying to "get specific" about anything related to CAM software. Nothing but buzzwords and fluff, making it obvious to everybody reading that you simply have no idea what the f*ck you're talking about.

I would really love to hear the idea for YOUR training program though. I'm sure it would involve lots of free streaming videos, and loads of "specifics"!

I suppose you're right, but night school machine shop class should be a part of the required training. I was required to go to school 2 nights a week and the class wasn't optional. Also things have changed since I was 20. Back in the 80's wages were frozen for about 12 years and most families needed 2 incomes to survive. I know this isn't true all over the country, but it is here. I think a lot of on this group couldn't afford to buy the house they now live, if they had to buy it today starting with nothing. Rents start at about $900 a month here.

Richard W.

Richard W.

Actually you have several things that I haven't thought of. My impression right or wrong was like what I went through. First raise in 6 months and every 6 months after that. I had to pay for schooling and tools and there were no company provided uniforms. All this came out of my pocket. When I started top wages were $6.00 an hour. I started at $4.00 an hour. No 401K and only union benefits.

If I wasn't about 75 miles from the Pacific ocean, I would send this kid a maybe a couple of others right on over to you.

Richard W.

Nope. What you're looking for are people who won't call you out on your never ending line of B.S. Your looking for the same kind of people that Tom Brewer and Joe 788 look for. The problem is that most people who don't have the guts to call you out for being a phony jerk that has lousy ideas don't usually make it as independent problem solvers.

Jon Banquer San Diego, CA

Jon just why are you so full of hate? I don't think that I have ever seen this kind of stuff going on before to this degree.

Richard W.

LOL What kind?

Reminds me of a kid I hired a long time ago. High school sophomore. Worked for me until he graduated. Went to Texas State Technical Institute in Waco for a 2 year program on machining. One of the classes was a general shop introduction type course. One of the things they were supposed to learn was how to grind a drill bit. Instructor comes by and asks Roy Lee if has ground the bit. Shows him the bit and the instructor says "you haven't ground it yet, it looks just like it did when I gave it to you." Roy Lee takes the bit from him, jams it into the grinder, shows him the mangled end, turns back to the grinder and proceeds to grind a new point. Instructor asks where he learned to do that. Roy tells him where he worked for the last 3 years and the instructor says "Well, you got an A in this course. I worked with your old boss for 2 years. He taught me well."

Might have to do with how manufacturing is viewed by most people in this country.

Jon Banquer San Diego, CA

Could be the I'm tired of watching this country go to "s" in most areas.

Jon Banquer San Diego, CA

Well Jon, we all sure that you are certainly doing your part!

No appreciation for a Banquer Scrapoholic?

Might be that I've read too many of "hamei's" posts and think he's got some points.

Jon Banquer San Diego, CA

Could be that don't see anywhere near enough progress in modern CADCAM systems that waste my time.

Jon Banquer San Diego, CA

Could very well be the same old lousy ideas that didn't work when they were first tried years ago and certainly won't work now.

Jon Banquer San Diego, CA

How you coming along with your cheap tool grinder design?

Have a snappy name for ya;

"ScrapMagic" design by Jon Banquer

Those big time wasters like chaining, and levels, right Jon?

Literally thousands of companies seem to be able to be competitive with what you perceive as lousy CADCAM software. It's all a matter of business sense. The software companies are not going to devote time and effort changing their product because of a very few dissatisfied people. Where's the profit, and, think like a business owner, what is the ROI? I'm sure multi million dollar software companies know their market much better than a single individual.

Like I said before, nobody is forcing you to use any one software product. Change if you don't like the current one. If none make you happy, maybe it's time to change your line of work, or write your own software. I'm sure you can license a kernel, as well to do as you claim to be.

Could be that don't see anywhere near enough progress in modern CADCAM systems that waste my time.

Jon Banquer San Diego, CA

I'm not exactly sure what you just typed? But have you ran nx5 or nx6? The stuff is jaw dropping on a daily basis.

Jon said his company bought it but they won't let him anywhere near it just like their 100+ seats of ProE.