Say goodbuy to home shops

There you go! "I'm sorry, sir, but you don't have enough old cars in your "ornamental garden"". It astounds me that people move to my area of the Sierras and move into a gated zone with yard police. First, they cut down the trees, then they build a big house, plant a lawn, put up fences to keep the animals out, floodlamps to chase away the stars, then they start whining about eveyone else's places and pester the politicians. Or worse, run for office.

Its a "power corrupts" concern. You may have an excellent HOA for now who respect your privacy but the other problem is a few bad apples on the HOA's committee with no common sense or skills sense or an elevated sense of danger can whittle around the rules to suppress home shops or to allow inside searches or to eventually use helicopter to incspect the neighbours yards.

You cant just "opt out" of the HOA and their rules can be gradually nudged though HOA meetings where a 2/3 majority in the meeting (Attended by less than of 10% of the homeowers) could push an unwanted chage to most of your community.

Dontg et me wrorng i'm not a big fan of the abandoned car on blocks int he front yard, and for now i'm that neighbour with the abandoned tv thats too big for garbage pickup and the shipping container in need of cleaning arriving today (But i will be getting a dumpster down here this fall to get most of my crap out

On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 07:22:14 -0700, with neither quill nor qualm, Brent quickly quoth:

Helicopters are already in use by city/county governments here in the USA. I kiddingly showed the black helicopter in the field next to my old home when that thread came up here last year. Cities are using chopper surveilance to pick up tax evasion. Build that new shop without a permit or tax audit? Busted!

That's scary, isn't it? The fewer the voters we get each year could soon stink from that same effect.

Freecycle it.

Correction. The population is just over 300 million. About one half of your figure.

Jim

That may be the stupidest evocation of the 'illegal immigrant threat' I have heard all week.

I do not know of ANY municipality, village or even county that does not have occupancy limits for housing. There is absolutely no need for HOAs to address that issue, regardless of the citizenship of the occupants.

Yes and? How many are eforced?

I live in So. Cal...so dont try blowing smoke up our collective butts.

Gunner

Up here in canada some big cities use them at a policing level. Other than the occasional threat of traffic enforcement what the have proven MOST effective for if finding marijuana grow ops since the are equipped with infrared cameras at night and the first law of thermodynamics can often create unexplained heat signatures in places where there shouldnt be (Why does the camera show that garage at 28C when its only 10C outside and the house is closer to 20C.... HMMMM

The city has not used them for enforcement as far as i know but the city does have aerial photos on file as public record

As for the TV I question whether i could even freecycle it off to someone.

I'm an electronics tech by training and job and I Scrapped it as unfixable I'd have to offer it to someoen as for parts because its only fit to have its components desoldered. The only thing i HAVENT done yet is to safely pressurize the tube to discard it

its a 40 inch CRT screen if it blows it will go off like a bomb unless its done safely and here IS a Safe way to do it

Ok, 300 citizens and a few "others".

Not bad, not bad:-

Mark Rand RTFM

But you have so far to go, to catch Saudi Arabia! (It's probably all of those illegal meat cleavers the Brits have. )

-- Ed Huntress

And, as I made it clear before, plainly that is not a motivation for recognizing HOAs.

Dunno. I am aware of one being enforced in Shaker Heights, Ohio.

What does where you live have to do with HOAs?

They tried that in the US and the supreme court banned it.

helicopter spottign of urban grow ops?

WTF did the police do? Try and issue a search warrant because your garage looked warm? The abnormal eat itself doesnt say or do ANYTHING illegal

Making your property a "Location of interest" to find good old fashioned proof is different.

But then again canadian police and specifically the Quebec "state troopers" proved how silly they were when they tried going undercover at protest and got ejected from the protest for looking like they were instigating a riot.

Brent Ottawa Canada

The supreme court ruled that IR surveillance of a property was sufficiently invasive (seeing through walls effectively) that a warrant would be required. Therefore any touring around neighborhoods or flying over them while surveiling with IR equipment was illegal. If they find a suspect property through other legal means and get a warrant they can then do IR surveillance and add that to their evidence.

Nice.

I saw the video. its somewhere on youtube too for the montebello summit. THese 3 guys in maks and holding rocks are ostracized fom the main body of the protest the while their faces are still covered and they are armed te MAGICALLY step through three rows of fully equipped riot cops. IT made the Undercover Cops look more like the "Keystone" cops. Funniest thing is I'm sure the sponsoring union would have WELCOMED appropriate undercover cops into their protest to observe the calm and peaceful protest. since ther big "issue" a the montebello summit was the softwood lumber issue. But the Quebec provincial police "Surete du Quebec" they call themselves made themselve look like turds instead of proper undercover observers.

I dont object to undercover cops "inserting" themselves into major protests. But Looking like twits and acting like it invalidates the purpose of them being there

It was some of the funniest news I've seen in a long time.

Brent P Ottawa Canada

Welcome to the municipal tradeoff

Here in ottawa the "property standards" bylaws are online and visible UNFORTUNATLEY they are NOT searchable under their common name of Eyesore

Oer her out bylaw enforcement is SOOOOO fixated n parking that they have over 16 MILLION dollars in fines levied that are unpaid. And every person living in my province and quebec as well HAS to pay their parking fines to renew their license. Meaning they have racked up 16 million in "out of state" fines where the people told them to get bent.

I am in violation of a few of the "Property standards" rulesotherwise known as "eyesore" rules

If the city enforced those instead of having their hard on for parking i'd be happy to comply i know i break the rules i found the rules and i find them to NOT be unreasonable (I'm also hoping to have met them by the time the snow flies anyhowbut that not their business)

Its all about wat the city "chooses" to enforce and what would make the city money

they would make hundreds in parking fines in the time a bylaw officer would take to cite me with a 45 day warning.

So they only enforce rules like that on a complaint basis

The law is how hard you complain not what the law "Is"

Brent Ottawa Canada

Same happened in BC when they tried to use the IR surveys to raid grow ops. Said it was an unwarranted invasion of the privacy.

At the time that decision came down, they thought that perhaps 1 house in 20 or so in the lower mainland had some grow activity level in it.

Cheers Trevor Jones

On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:03:45 +0100, with neither quill nor qualm, Mark Rand quickly quoth:

Now compare your other crime rates against the U.S. and the world. It's not a pretty picture. Australia (#1), UK, and Canada (all countries with strict gun laws/bans) have burglary rates in the top ten worldwide.

In the late 1950's, the city fathers in Ottawa had things so screwed up that some people refused to accept transfers there, even with substantial pay increases. They tried to beautify the city to the point that it was impossible to live there. I do have a lot of good memories of working there in the construction seasons of '76, '77 & '78, either living in hotels or camping at Greely. Gerry :-)} London, Canada