Rocket Challenge comments

Nov 10, 2003 147 Replies

The biggest thing I took away from the entire three hours was the size of the divide bewteen Tripoli and the NAR. I've been involved in Hobby rocketry on the NAR side for over 10 years now (since NARAM 34 in Las Vegas) and I thought I knew most of the players, but I didn't see a single person that I knew personally. Of course I recognized Ky and Bruce Lee by their reputations, and it was nice to see some faces to go with the names here, but I thought I'd see at least ONE person that I've flown with.

We had some LUNAR members there (Tony Cooper and his wife Sheryl who are our membership chair and Treasurer, respectively) and I was hoping to at least catch a glimpse of them. Tony said at a club meeting, when reporting on LDRS, that the Discovery people were mostly ignoring the mainstream flights and had their own little group working on the show. They only occasionally came over to the LP pads and non-contest flights.

I agree that the show was mostly positive towards the hobby, but I did have a few problems with it:

  • Contiunally referring to the hobby as "amateur rocketry" rather than hobby rocketry. Amateur rocketry is a separate and well-defined activity that is much more dagerous.
  • Technical mistakes left uncorrected: - the "3,500 pound rocket" pranging, - talking about a hybrid motor, showing a black powder motor and saying it contained "ammonium nitrate" - describing hybrids as "liquid fuel," "liquid oxygen" or "liquid hydrogen" (I guess "gasseous nitros oxide" just isn't sexy enough).
  • The overall impression that the only way to "push the envelope" is bigger, bigger, bigger. How about refinement and reliability? Sophisticated payloads? High fidelity scale models? (e.g. George's shuttle). Actually, those questions are retorical. I know the answer when it comes to TV.
  • Working as do in industries that involve hazardous materials, I cringed at the shots of Team Aurora (?) mixing their own propellants without a sigle piece of PPE (Personal Protective Equipment). The lady screening out AP without gloves, an apron or any sort of face protection. That wasn't powdered sugar she was sifting!

Again, I liked the show and think it was probably about right for the general public, focusing as it did on the people along with the hardware.

- Jack

Jack Hagerty ARA Press

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Will the commercials be in the reruns THursday night, or was this a one shot deal?

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

Obviously they were following a couple of projects (having visited those sites weeks prior to LDRS). I don't think the general audience would be thrilled with lots of Estes flight. In fact they're harder to keep in frame close up. I think they could do a show, but they would need a cleaver angle to keep it interesting.

It was interesting to watch the show with one of the project groups and hear of the interviews and footage that didn't make the show.

I missed this one, could it have been 3,500 feet?

Then you missed hybrids have 'rubber' fuel...

Like someone else said WRITE DISCOVERY!! Say HEY, here's a shot of some fine scale models, would that make a great show?

Least she wasn't smoking while doing it? It was hard to tell from the camera angle, but they seemed awfully close on the motor test.

Joel. phx

TV could only capture the culture of Tripoli that was being showcased.

Maybe someone will officially inquire into aircheck lists for major markets and get a rebate? Could be real money.

No, the voiceover indicated that "the beast" weighed 3,000 pounds.

He also said it had 10,000 pounds of thrust. There were 9 motors - 1 ea. N2000, 2 ea. M's and 6 ea. K's (I think - I can't recall the exact designations of the M's or K's involved). Maybe they forgot to convert newtons to pounds?

Doesn't Tripoli believe in blast deflectors? Or were they deliberately left off to creat this effect?

- Jack

Jack Hagerty ARA Press

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There were many, many errors. But at least the "human" aspect was portrayed. And they did show well the safety margin of distance from the launch pads. But most of what came out of the narrator's mouth was mixed up when it came to anything technical.

I think the best spot was of the "Rocket Reverend", and his description of the importance of the hobby. Actually, I was surprised it was allowed to be in there.

I also liked the short snippet on the parts of a rocket, and how a multi-segment reload motor burns.

Overall, there are many things in the series that can be said both good and bad, and can be used for both good and bad, but overall, I'd say the thing will have a positive impact on the public at large, and was generally an exciting show.

~Duane Phillips.

That was a beautiful animation. I'd like to see it on all APCP motor vendors' web sites.

Doug

I agree completely. Does anyone have a copy of this animation or a link?

we paid for 1 commercial per show for the currently scheduled airings. TDC may air it again in a few months with a whole new set of sponsors. Commerical sponsors in this case paid for airtime, not production

it would have been nice if the flyrockets.com mention was actually part of the show, and/or they had flyrockets.com banners around during the filming. But then, the idea wasn't a gleam in Frank's eye back then. We'll know better for next time

(or anyone want to bet that TRA corners the 'integrated ad' content on the next one

who knows, maybe Discovery will produce their own rockety show now (this was a First TV production). "Rocketry Wars" ala "Junkyward Wars".

- iz

On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:35:00 -0500, In the heat of the moment, "Cyberia" posted: .

Yep. That's what they said. And as a member of the general public, I was very impressed.

-- Bill

I am a member of the rabble in good standing. -- Westbrook Pegler --

Looks to be about $70,000 for 10 seconds! :-D

Buy low, sell high........

That was my absolute favorite part of the show.

This guy was so good, he should go into some profession where he speaks to the public.

Zooty

It seemed about par for a given media staff's first round pass on a given subject. If it follows the path of press I've seen elsewhere, and if further shows on the subject are done, then future shows will:

Drop many of the old errors (thanks to people being interviewed remembering the first go-round)

Introduce several new errors (as the production crew tries to learn more.)

And overall take a better cognizance of the issues in the hobby as a whole. (That's just the production crew learning from experience...)

By the third show or so they'll have it mostly right...

It could have been far worse :)

At the return from commercial, towards the end of the first hour, they showed my twin Robart UFO glider take off, so they did include some "Gliders" they just did not show it deploy.

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The Aurora team made these for discovery. You should be able to find them here.

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Found this by browsing through flyrockets.com

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D'oh! I have lunch with Dan (Mr Aurora) every week or so. You'd think I'd already know this. FWIW, I figure it was Terry who did the artwork. I think that's more his area of expertise.

I didn't make the party last night. There were lots of stars there including the Auroras, at least one Rocket Babe, and a few X-30 team members. But I was yelling out loud from the couch when- ever I saw somebody I recognized :)

Doug

Yeah, I know you said what he said. What I meant was could the number have been the expected altitude(3000/30000), and somewhere between the interview and the guy who wrote the voice over stuck the altitude into the weight category. Or was it a 35lb rocket and some zeros added. I remember the statement, but not the rocket.

Joel. phx

Hmmm. I thought the often repeating of one commercial, was a signal to make out with the wife. You know, like passing a car with one headlight out or when you're at a traffic light and you want to make it change or when she puts her hand on your knee or............ It IS annoying when the kids keep telling you to get a room. Verna did enjoy watching all 3 hours of the series.... so did I.

Were there rockets? ; )

Randy

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