ROL NEWS--AeroTech Re-releases D21T Single-Use Motors

The reason for the dancing is a conflict of two entities each making "rulings" favorable to Gary and contrary to the rules and past practice.

While it is true any NFPA-1125 testing firm has considerable lattitude in manufacturing changes so long as they are notified of them, so they can request additional testing if needed, there are other factors at work here.

The testing firms ("TF") have typically in the past considered a "major change" such things as:

- A change in raw materials molded vs tubular cases, fiberglass vs phenolic, unglassined red tubes vs glassined white vs plastic for delays).

- Change in ownership

- Change in location

- Change in mechanical design

- Change in propellant (ie AT E6)

- Change in performance

- Change in grain geometry (ie cores to C-slots)

and ruled disfavorably to other manufacturers regularly.

Several of the above examples have also been ruled in favor of Aerotech with no new testing.

The problem being the inconsistent treatment of differing suppliers and the resulting "monopoly" of Aerotech motors on the market in several power ranges and motor styles, even during a 3 year major shortage!!!

Then you have the J350 issue which simply highlighted the extremety of the pro-Aerotech bias.

Here there was a CLEAR example of a batch problem affecting "all" motors of a particular type. EXACTLY what the rules state SHOULD be decertified. And were they?

Nope.

They were given an emergency rush field modification order (no such rule or jurisdiction exists and it conflicts with the existing rules).

CONSUMERS and DEALERS were asked to field core out existing grains (voiding the EX numbers, the certifications, violating a wide variety of regs and rules).

Why?

Because it was LDRS and so many people were counting on the J350 to certify. Too bad so sad dude. They are defective and besides once cored the darn thing is no longer even a J!

The real problem at its root is one series of treatment for errortech and yet another widely variable set of standards for everybody else.

One more example. CTI submitted motors for TRA cert with infinitely variable delays (with a METERED TOOL). They refused and forced CTI to make a tool mod thus delaying the product to market by many months (major financial impact) during the motor AT fire related shortage (benefiting Aerotech since it gave them time to get back online).

THEN Aerotech wanted to allow infinitely variable delays. It was approved almost immediately.

Of course.

Jerry

Have you read the TRIPOLI rules for motor RECERTIFICATIONS? ALL that is needed is money and motors. I would like to recertify all previously certified USR motors forthwith.

GFL. USR is not errortech.

Your "conclusion" is clear.

But YOU were the one that posted a "judgement" (over and over) that you could neither read or understand, even the most obvious words, and cannot comprehend that it only applies to the names on it.

Jerry

So where are the motors you were ordered to return "actual" scum bag?

I ask.

scum bag is as scum bag does.

Words of a scum bag.

I don't take orders from scum bags.

By the way, no such order exists.

Yes. In fact, it's, (looking closely), "It's green."

Alan

True. One of the reasons I like the Quest saucer better than the Estes one: It WILL take the D13 RMS.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)!

Life is like a USR motor...

What makes you think it wouldn't pass the cert??

Huh? Since when does a manufacturer have to wait for S&T's blessing before making an announcement? Sure, they must pass the cert before they can be sold, but an announcement is not a sale.

Also, if you believe any vendor is trying to get away with selling motors that haven't been properly certified, then you SHOULD take it up with the certifying authority. It's their jurisdiction.

Would you like some cheese with that whine?

When did you send them to TMT? Did you include all the required legal documents?

Not applicable, since your motors aren't legally manufactured or shippable, and thus can't be certified or recertified.

Yes, so quit rehashing it.

If manufacturers fail to get their motors recertified, or fail to meet the current requirements for certification, the consumers are not left "holding the bag". They have a three year grace period to use up old motors. Unless of course the manufacturer is a scumbag who backdates new motors, thus causing the grace period to be yanked. In that case, it is the manufacturer who has left the consumer holding the bag.

He's not talking about manufacturers who refuse to meet the cert/recert requirements.

I feel honored by that distinction, since it is a mark of intelligence and maturity to be able to accept the possibility of solutions and viewpoints other than one's own. That is something you clearly lack, and even disdain.

Which lifestyle? The one that got you a $40k DOT fine and a felony conviction for possession of a destructive device?=20

Cites please. Where is the specific, verifiable proof for each of these claims?

Meaning you and your illegal motors.

If anyone is being given preferential treatment, that should be remedied. Throwing out the rules so Jerry can cert his illegal motors is not the solution.

By that time, CTI had already had an infinitely variable delay certified for their Pro54 stuff, so it was a moot point.

hUH ?

Snitch Girl has put Ds, Fs, Gs, and Yes, Is and Js in the Estes Saucers!

Albit with Is and Js, a tube is inserted into the saucer for a motor mount, recovery device from what I have seen of her rockets.

you just have to use an xacto or dremel ;-)

But he is getting close to the 4 hour limit doctors place on his persistence ;-)

Well, have you seen the doctor yet about your persistence over four hours ?

In Canada!!

No. I would like you to concede the point.

Jerry