ROL NEWS--Missile Works Announces Type 4 Storage Magazine

I can dig around for it. Having a hint helps!

I know all about the pad issue. Problem is people like to keep all that flammable stuff in one place, and it becomes an issue storing an explosive like PB in your field box. Plus there's them ""explosive"" ematches, which depending on the interpretation, would require a separate magazine.

Joel. phx

First I've heard of that one. Site'm if ya got'm.

While I'd love to hear all about the merits of safely storing motors so that if the car is on fire the gas tank is a bigger issue than a bunch of motors, I think I will decline at this time. Besides, the only 'tunnel' in Phoenix is really just a bunch of bridges with dirt on top.

Assuming, of course, that the PAD rule does not apply. I would love to see a Q&A on one unattended can of BP.

Joel. phx

Yes, and people would still be wondering about blackpowder and those now "explosive" ematches.

That sounds like a DOT issue, and there happens to be a DOT thread going on right now. "Storage" falls under ATF.

Like another thread being hijacked?

Joel. phx

Massive and gross overkill.

I've seen a gun locker at Farm & FLeet that should meet the rules for something like $70 on sale:

It's got a tubular key and the 3 point mortise lock. Just plop in your attached garage. It would probably be more useful lying down for our purposes. Or install a bunch of wooden shelves.

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On what grounds do the JBGTs not allow them. Exactly what part of the type 4 specs do they fail to meet.

There is NO specification for metal type or thickness for a type 4 magazine. If you attach an appropriate hasp and lock, a cigar box or shoe box wrapped in tin foil meets the absurd requirements.

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PLEASE build one and make a detailed drawing! I want it on my website!

I've never seen that restriction in writing anywhere.

Do we have to seperate our "regulated" materials, and just put the grins in the magazine, and store the liners, nozzle, etc seperately.

Do I have to take the thermalite off the spool. Dump the BP out of the can? Get rid of all the baggies, instructions, parts bins, etc?

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AT has a "kit" approved as an "article". That article in its entirety goes into the magazine (if it were regulated by ATF which it is not).

That would be less silly than the wacky ATF regs, barely.

They don't allow them because the manufacturer attaches a sticker saying they are not to be used to store explosives.

Brian Elfert

Wrong model. The one I saw was

and was on sale for 72.99... Not sure what the differences between the two models are.

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Hey, I didn't say it was reasonable. This is the government we're talking about! ;)

NFPA 1125. 2001 Ed. (excerpted for editorial review)

NFPA 1125. 2001 Ed. (excerpted for editorial review)

NFPA 1125, 2001 Ed. (excerpted for editorial review)

Ok, all the BATFE has to do is cite the regulation that states the maker of a metal box can disallow it's use as a magazine. I don't recall seeing one, but I might have missed it.

The manufacturer has nothing to do with approval.

Joel. phx

Ok, but that doesn't say they have to not be stored during transport. If you look at the list, they actually understand that while the material is being handled, it's difficult to be IN the magazine.

And,.. 1125 is for manufacturers, which is why the list doesn't include "use".

Joel. phx

Ok, I can't find the link I had to the old FAQ which #13 was 'are rocket motors explosives?'

Well, as Dave mentioned this is 1125 (manufacturers) but 6.1.1 mentions "not exempt" but 6.4.11 doesn't. So while an explosive could be exempt, if it's a propellant, delay, or ejection... it's not an 'other material'.

Joel. phx

This is one of the problems Dean Roth had. Agent A told him he had to have ALL his APCP stored in his magazine, Agent B told him he was breaking the law storing grains < 62.5 gms in the magazine.

Agent B had read the law.