Same Old BS Finally Equals Kill File

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Actually it wouldn't even be very good for Jerry either, since such a deal can't be verified and conflicts with ATF policy. It's like having an "arrangement" with a single DMV employee who says he'll let you drive without a license just because he likes you. Any other DMV employee is unlikely to support that deviation from the law, nor will a court.
I think it does accomplish something. It helps prevent the ignorant and/or gullible from believing Jerry's crap about how TRA is screwing the hobby. It also might save someone getting busted as a result of following bad advice.
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Reply to
raydunakin
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All that would prove is something changed. Not how to get proper treatment in the first place.
Getting people busted is easy. Setting an example for others to follow successfully is hard, especially if the universe is filled with critics who have never walked a single yard in your (exempt-mfg) shoes and never intend to in the future either.
Jerry
Reply to
Jerry Irvine
Let's review. First you make up a speculative story. Then you say why that story is bogus, and in both cases imply it is somehow remotely related to me.
No and no.
Then ignore what I admit and state DOES apply to me.
Your myopic world is interesting indeed.
Jerry
"Look how many times Ray has been verifiably (citing specifics) called a liar by several folks here and the label sticks well." - Jerry
"I'll give you that..." - Phil Stein
"No one was ruining it while Jerry was away. But they promptly resumed as soon as he came back. People who are unable to unwilling to control and/or take responsibility for their own actions usually blame their target. 'She was asking for it because she was dressed like that'."
"Hear yah, that's been my manner for years of being online. I learned loooooong ago *never* to take online ascii diareha too serious. And thats exactly what noise is, ascii diareha. Actually if anything I find all this thread hijacking and noise pathetic. Maybe rmr needs Dolby :)" - Ted Novak
Reply to
Jerry Irvine
We know Jerry is not telling the truth. His getting busted by ATF would only be the result of the fact, he ignored the truth, just as he did with DOT. However, seeing he no longer claims to have motors for sale, or openly admits to making motors for sale in commerce, he may well be doing nothing more than, "well", just taking liberties with the truth.. (:-)
It is also evident, "the gullible and/or ignorant believers of JI crap are not just limited to the newer members of the rocket comunity, judging by the remarks of some long time rmr posters, if only a few".
Fred
Reply to
WallaceF
So prove to us how to get "proper treatment". Notice I did not say "tell us how". I said "prove".
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critics
It's only hard when you refuse to provide any proof.
=EA
Reply to
raydunakin
Nope, just examining the few possible explainations for your refusal to provide proof to back up your claims. There are only so many viable options:
1. You really did get an ATF agent to agree that manufacturing rocket motors does not require ATF permits. 2. You got one specific agent to "look the other way", allowing you to operate without the required permits. 3. You made the whole thing up in an effort to con people into thinking you're operating legally when in fact you are not.
If scenario number one is true, then there is no reason not to provide proof. In fact, providing verifiable evidence of this would go a long, long way to winning our case against the ATF. Yet you adamantly refuse to offer any evidence at all, not even the name of the agent. And on the other hand, there is overwhelming evidence that the ATF would not tell you that permits aren't required. The Orange Book says that manufacturers of exempt materials DO need permits; and the ATF has fought in court to support their policy that rocket motors are not exempt.
If the second scenario is true, then it's utterly useless to anyone. It violates both the regs and ATF policy, it can't be used by anyone else, it won't be supported by other agents, it won't hold up in court, and it doesn't provide proof of compliance necessary to get your motors certified.
The third scenario needs no explanation, and best fits the facts.
What you "admit and state" is not proof of anything, especially when it conflicts with known facts.
Reply to
raydunakin
Ray, he doesn't need to provide you proof of anything... you're the one that is saying all these things about "illegality" and stuff... that means that you are the one who has to prove anything. Nothing is "illegal" in this nation unless it can be proven so to the satisfaction of a judge & jury.
Now wipe your chin. You've got cop-juice all over it, mister "I don't care what the law says; all that really counts is how to keep from being Hassled by The Fuzz..."
-dave w
Reply to
David Weinshenker
You should have done it when you were at the hearing. I've also heard you say on rmr that you wouldn't apologize because you didn't do anything wrong. It's difficult to know which story is correct.
Reply to
Phil Stein
Ray - THe point is about following TRA / TMT rules it's the same thing. Sorry my statement doesn't live up to your expectations. Obviously, just appologizing doesn't make him conformto TMT rules.
Reply to
Phil Stein
Ok, do we send the letters to the DOT or the AFT? He'll get 3 squares a day and meet new friends if it works! :)
Reply to
AZ Woody
Jerry could be the "bubba".. Heck - it seems he's had a history of trying to give it to others "where the sun don't shine"! :)
Ask his former partners!
I still find the transcript of Jerry's re-enstatement "hearing" one of the funniest things I've ever read in this hobby! And it wasn't TRA's fault! JI wouldn't admit he has two arms, much less that each arm had a hand and fingers!
It was in the TRA Report, what, 2 years back. It was better than SNL in the early days.....
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AZ Woody

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