Does anyone know where in Canada LDRS 2005 is being planned for? I google
searched this group, but didn't find anything specifying where LDRS might
actually be held in Canada.
I thought I heard it would be held at Roc Lake, but Leathbridge Rocketry
is not currently a member of Tripoli.
Yes, I like to plan far in advance.
Yes, it will be held at Roc Lake near Lethbridge, Alberta.
Lethbridge Rocketry is not a member of Tripoli, but Tripoli Alberta
is, and it is Tripoli Alberta who will be organizing the launch---
with help from Lethbridge, Calgary, Edmonton and others
See you in 2005
It was correct to not define, which country, which was fortunate.
Canada is a lot less restrictive that the US. When it happens, you'll
be able to get them to Canada without much more than a question or
two. Getting them back to the US? That'll be the tough part as
you're bringing "explosives" into the good old USA. I hope LEUP's
work at the US Border as well.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but, from Section 148 of the Explosives Regulations,
persuant to the Explosives Act of Canada:
EXPLOSIVES THAT MAY BE IMPORTED WITHOUT AN
EXPLOSIVES IMPORTATION PERMIT
Column I Column II
Item Explosive Quantity
1. safety cartridges except hollow
point handgun ammunition 5,000
2. percussion caps (primers) for
safety cartridges 5,000
3. empty primed cartridge cases 5,000
4. gunpowder (black powder) in
canisters of 500 g or less and
smokeless powder in canisters of
4 000 g or less 8 kg
5. model rocket engines 6
6. pyrotechnic distress signals and any quantity necessary for the
lifesaving devices safe operation of the aircraft,
train, vessel or vehicle in which
they are transported, or for the
safety of the occupants
Model Rocket engines, as defined in the regulations are those engines
containing less than 125g of propellant, and producing less than 160.1NS
of total impulse.
Anything other than that requires an importation permit. There's also a special
permit (that gets endorsed by a customs agent, I believe) that allows
transit of explosives through Canada where Canada is not the final
The Explosives Act here in Canada is very clear on what constitutes an
explosive, and what doesn't. None of this pissing around with
should APCP be on the "explosives" list or not. ANYTHING that is explosive
or pyrotechnic in nature falls under the control of the "act". Period.
What *is* better here is that they don't insist that we all get explosives
magazine licenses, provided that we aren't storing huge quantities of the
things, and they're for personal consumption.
On the bright side, Max will have a large stock of stuff, and you can pre-order
anything you might need. He has also mumbled about negotiating something
with ERD and Customs to make this event work better for our USAn friends.
I hope that you reconsider. 8000' is plenty enough altitude for me to
wreak havoc. There may be a gas-passing FTBOD M flight at next year's
LDRS to go along with some other craziness. The Boys in the East know
how to adapt to local flying conditions. We have made it an artform to
fly draggy, non-flyable objects. ;-)
NAR 71503 Level II
God Bless our peacekeepers
Importation is a pain, but purchase on site is not a problem. Be obviously
over 18 years old, and you'll be fine. With certain exceptions the
transport of goods that would otherwise fall under the TDG (Transport of
Dangerous Goods) act for personal use are exempted from the provisions
of the TDG act.
The standing waiver will likely be higher than 8000, and if it's anything
like regular Roc Lake launches, there will be windows every day
(2 or 3 hours) where the ceiling is raised to at least 25,000ft.
The highest flight we had at Roc Lake this year was a hair over 18,000ft.
I will be posting a lot more info as time goes by, which will answer
hopefully all your questions, but dealing with the altitude thing, we
will be having a standing 12000 foot waiver and about 5 hours a day to
30000. There is a lot of space at Roc Lake, so if it were necessary
we could likely arrange something even higher. On the Saturday of Roc
Lake we had 7 hours of windows to 30K -- only used 18000 of it but
still- it was available
30K? Now your talking!! We just may consider bringing Aurora if we can figure
out how to make the grains on site for the P. At your altitude tho we may have
to tie on something draggy to keep her under 30K. Max, do ya have a spare
Canadian flag we could tie onto the airframe for some extra drag? I figure that
would be a way of showing from us boys from Texas a little appreciation to you
folks for offering to put on an LDRS, by flying yore colors, hey?
I don't know what Max has in mind for EX day, but IMO, ERD is unlikely
to approve onsite manufacture. In Canada, (with certain exceptions)
nobody without an explosives factory license is allowed to make
explosives. Period. There's none of the ambiguity in the law
that pervades the legal environment in the U.S.
We won't get into the perennial argument about APCP not being an explosive.
Up here, just about anything pyrotechnic-ish is an explosive under the
I know that Max had said that he'd be working with ERD and Customs to
smooth the way for our USAn friends to import their motors for this
event. I'm certain that when he has something definitive on this,
he'll let everybody know.