Just dropped by to say hi. I model HO, N and O27, I'm also an organist
(The name should tell you that).
O27 engines are
Lionel:
Wabash Atlantic
Great northern RS3
Alask Railroad GP9 (or a GP7, I don't remember which)
K-Line:
Illinois Central S2
New York Central Pacific
MTH:
Centerville Trolley
Hopefully this should be ebough proof that I'm not a spammer, I've
been watching this group for a little while.
FYI, if you want to be seen as a non-troll, here's some advice:
1). Sign each message with your real name. This indicates that you stand
behind what you say. Trolls usually use blatantly false names or no name at
all because if it ever got out that they behave like lunatics, they'd suffer
a little at either work or at home.
2). Use a real NNTP connection to post to the group. Web-based postings
from Google are generally used by trolls due to the fact that they are free
and to the common user, untraceable. This means that a troll cannot be
tracked down and get his ISP account terminated for violating his TOS/AUP
for being a troll.
3). Use a "real" e-mail account in your return field. Yahoo, Hotmail and
other free web-based e-mail accounts are notorious for Trolls. Sure, you
can "munge" your return addy (as in "j (underscore) smith (at) earthlink
(dot) com") so you don't get as much spam, but using the freebie accounts is
not the way to encourage folks that you aren't a troll.
4). Post to more than one thread, on more than one subject, and actively try
to either help people by answering their questions, or ask questions to try
and get a good discussion going. Most trolls only want to cause pain, and
would sooner bite off their own arm than help people.
5). Never bring up politics or religion in a non-political or non-religous
newsgroup. And if someone does bring it up, never respond to it. Nothing
good will come of it. You won't change their mind, and they won't change
yours, so what's the point? It'll just be a blood bath and will kill the
group, eventually.
6). Never respond to an obvious troll. For example, I had some loser
actually title a thread here with my name in it. I didn't reply at all, and
it quickly faded away (if only everyone else would do that).
7). Don't use ALL CAPS, don't overuse exclamation points (!), don't post
binaries (pictures), don't launch personal attacks...IOW, be a good netizen,
and you'll be welcome on any newsgroup. Just like in real life, if you go
into a group or gathering and come off as a big jerk, people will think the
worst of you. If you come in like a real nice guy, you'll be greeted with
open arms.
Paul A. Cutler III
*************
Weather Or No Go New Haven
*************
I'll always use the same name, and you can have me email if you want,
but I have no intention of discussing politics here. I already know of
groups that have deteriorated into anarchy due to this.
On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:21:10 -0700, I said, "Pick a card, any card"
and Hammondlover instead replied:
Anarchy? Here on USENET? Surely you're joking!
By the way, welcome aboard.
--
Ray
Hammondlover spake thus:
Welcome. Just a couple of things (and you can forget some of the dire
admonitions you've received from other replies here; you'll figure
things out):
1. The term is "troll", not troller. So far, pretty obvious you aren't one.
2. Trolls and spammers are two entirely different creatures. Spammers
post unwanted commercial announcements in multiple Usenet newsgroups,
usually unrelated to the group's subject. Also obvious you aren't one.
3. Do agree with someone else who suggested not using Google Groups for
posting & reading, unless you really like that web page interface. Try a
"real" Usenet client (for instance, Mozilla Thunderbird, which is free).
Lots easier & faster reading through the group.
One thing to keep in mind if you use Google to post is that whenever you
"edit" a message, the rest of us (those who access this group through
NNTP and not Google) will see both the old and the new messages, which
clutter things up considerably. Shame on Google for "features" like this!
Anyhow, have fun.
I have even better idea. When someone discovers this forum why not
just post a normal on-topic message not even mentioning trolling.
That would have worked perfectly and would have prevent any long
lectures from current members. :-)
I've been posting using Google Groups for several years now and except
for occasional Mark Newton head-butting, I post on-topic.
Peteski
So, you only own engines?
What do you model in N scale?
As far as troll proof - we'll have to wait few weeks to see. And if
you were a troll, I (and most, but not all people on this forum) would
ignore you.
Peteski
All those engines are O27. My HO and N are currently in storage and
are too numerous to list.
Wayne: Unfortunately only a very select few electric organs are worth
anything (for now), these are mainly Hammond Consoles, the largest of
the Hammonds. You'll have to describe the organ more.
If it has 2 switches and requires a fancy start-up process (like a
diesel engine) then I can guarantee it's a Hammond.
"Pac Man" wrote in news:mBxci.6$u65.5@trndny07:
Hm... my handle isn't a real name, but most people don't regard me as a
troll.
I don't mind Google Groupers, but honestly for reading r.m.r, a NNTP
connection is best. You can use a real news reader with kill files and
filtering. I haven't seen anywhere near the volume of trash messages
here that people have complained about.
Many people use a fake or invalid email address in the from field so the
bots don't pick it up. If you "munge" your email address like Pac Man
suggests, it would only take a few seconds to write a program to
"demunge" it and spam it.
Those who do use a fake or invalid address usually provide a real one in
some form in their signature.
I agree.
You might also want to look up Godwin's law.
Agreed.
It's usually a good idea to do a search for "Usenet Etiquitte" and read a
couple of the resulting sites. There are things you'll never think of
that just tick people off. (Biggest one that gets me is not using blank
lines to seperate your reply from the previous reply.)
Puckdropper
It's not the "handle" that should be your real name (for example, mine
is "Pac Man"), but that you should sign your real name in each post (see
below). For example, do I call you "Hammond" or "Lord Vader"? Neither one
sounds like a first name to me (hint, hint).
BTW, directly e-mailing folks is usually considered bad manners when
discussing a group topic. If you have something to say about this group,
say it to everyone so all can see.
Paul A. Cutler III
*************
What have you done to save r.m.r today?
*************
Certainly. My point was on how trolls usually operate on newsgroups.
But these methods are certainly not all inclusive. Back before free e-mail
accounts, life was different here. As well as pre-DejaNews.
Oh, I don't mind Google posters either. But there are a lot of Trolls
that use them.
Well, there's munging and then there's munging. Mine was but the
simplest example I could think of at the time. Many folks munge their
return addy, then post the key to unlocking it in their sig. For example,
"Replace the Tortoise with the Hare to reply"...etc. (and their munged addy
is j snipped-for-privacy@tortoise.com and it should be j snipped-for-privacy@hare.com).
Thanks for the reply.
Paul A. Cutler III
*************
Weather Or No Go New Haven
*************
Okay ... let us review some things here. You have stated that you aren't
a troll and sounded eager to be a good netizen and contribute. Someone
provided a well though out list of suggestions on exactly how to do that.
1) You completely ignored the most excellent suggestion of actually
signing a name. Something besides a stupid handle so that when someone
chooses to respond they don't start off with "Hey Dork".
2) You responded to a rather lengthy message of maybe 80 lines with a
two sentence reply and couldn't be bothered with trimming out the
superfluous text.
So far you are zero for two. You might revisit Pauls response and reread
it. There is much valuable information there that would benefit everyone.
Bill
[Usenet, DARPA and ARPA net since 1980] Argh it aint pretty what this
has turned into.
I'm not an english professor, and I've never been taught proper
internet protocol.
Everything I have written has been in response to a question. Dating
an identifiying electric organs is not a cut and run job without
details.
Michael T. Downes
Aka "Hammondlover"
Hammondlover spake thus:
[snip]
Don't let the overly-anal advice here get to you. So long as you post
*reasonably* on-topic stuff from time to time and otherwise use common
sense, no need to worry about violating any "rules". Hey, even the
"respected regulars" around here wander off-topic all the time. And so
far as using your real name goes, that's up to you as well. There are
lots of folks whose posts I regularly read who I have no idea what their
actual name is.
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