Just dropped by to say hi. I model HO, N and O27, I'm also an organist
(The name should tell you that).
O27 engines are
Lionel:
Wabash Atlantic
Great northern RS3
Alask Railroad GP9 (or a GP7, I don't remember which)
K-Line:
Illinois Central S2
New York Central Pacific
MTH:
Centerville Trolley
Hopefully this should be ebough proof that I'm not a spammer, I've
been watching this group for a little while.
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Welcome to the group, Hammondlover.
Bill
Bill's Railroad Empire
http://www.billsrailroad.net
FYI, if you want to be seen as a non-troll, here's some advice:
1). Sign each message with your real name. This indicates that you stand
behind what you say. Trolls usually use blatantly false names or no name at
all because if it ever got out that they behave like lunatics, they'd suffer
a little at either work or at home.
2). Use a real NNTP connection to post to the group. Web-based postings
from Google are generally used by trolls due to the fact that they are free
and to the common user, untraceable. This means that a troll cannot be
tracked down and get his ISP account terminated for violating his TOS/AUP
for being a troll.
3). Use a "real" e-mail account in your return field. Yahoo, Hotmail and
other free web-based e-mail accounts are notorious for Trolls. Sure, you
can "munge" your return addy (as in "j (underscore) smith (at) earthlink
(dot) com") so you don't get as much spam, but using the freebie accounts is
not the way to encourage folks that you aren't a troll.
4). Post to more than one thread, on more than one subject, and actively try
to either help people by answering their questions, or ask questions to try
and get a good discussion going. Most trolls only want to cause pain, and
would sooner bite off their own arm than help people.
5). Never bring up politics or religion in a non-political or non-religous
newsgroup. And if someone does bring it up, never respond to it. Nothing
good will come of it. You won't change their mind, and they won't change
yours, so what's the point? It'll just be a blood bath and will kill the
group, eventually.
6). Never respond to an obvious troll. For example, I had some loser
actually title a thread here with my name in it. I didn't reply at all, and
it quickly faded away (if only everyone else would do that).
7). Don't use ALL CAPS, don't overuse exclamation points (!), don't post
binaries (pictures), don't launch personal attacks...IOW, be a good netizen,
and you'll be welcome on any newsgroup. Just like in real life, if you go
into a group or gathering and come off as a big jerk, people will think the
worst of you. If you come in like a real nice guy, you'll be greeted with
open arms.
Paul A. Cutler III
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Weather Or No Go New Haven
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I'll always use the same name, and you can have me email if you want,
but I have no intention of discussing politics here. I already know of
groups that have deteriorated into anarchy due to this.
It's not the "handle" that should be your real name (for example, mine
is "Pac Man"), but that you should sign your real name in each post (see
below). For example, do I call you "Hammond" or "Lord Vader"? Neither one
sounds like a first name to me (hint, hint).
BTW, directly e-mailing folks is usually considered bad manners when
discussing a group topic. If you have something to say about this group,
say it to everyone so all can see.
Paul A. Cutler III
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What have you done to save r.m.r today?
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 15:16:37 GMT, I said, "Pick a card, any card"
Paul, that depends on why. If I offer to send you an old boxcar that
I no longer want, would you like me to ask for your address right
here? Would you post it here so I can fill out an address label?
Would you prefer to post your phone number here?
While I agree that it can sometimes be unwelcome, e-mail to a person
can have many reasons for occurring where none of them are bad.
Believe it or not, USENET is a text only message system that is
based on many of the same protocols as e-mail. Thus, many people
still use their real e-mail address here and suffer the abuse of
those who really do abuse it - the dreaded SPAMMERS!
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Ray
Well, that's why I said "usually", as in "usually considered bad
manners". I didn't say it was an absolute. Obviously, if I ask for a
personal contact off the group, then it's okay. It's the unsolicted
comments via e-mail about a topic at hand that I find in bad taste. It's
usually done so one can chew out another poster (making rude comments,
swearing, threatening, etc.), or so one can agree with someone else while
not publically appearing to take sides in a discussion.
More the exception than the rule. The only other one is when a
discussion goes way, way off topic (going into politics or religion, for
example). That stuff is best taken off the group into e-mail. But that
must be agreed to by both participants.
Oh, I know. I've been here a long time. NNTP & SMTP are very simular.
Paul A. Cutler III
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Weather Or No Go New Haven
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On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 14:44:23 GMT, I said, "Pick a card, any card"
I grew up with a New Haven trunk in Willimantic, CT almost in my
back yard. I love the steam and burning coal smell mixed with heavy
oil even today. NYNH&H is my absolute favorite. Their herald crest
makes me all warm and fuzzy.
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Ray
On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 04:11:13 +0800, Ray Haddad wrote:
Amen to that - although as a child of mixed parentage (Wabash and Nickel
Plate) I'd have to insist on the Bluebird and Banner Blue drumheads, as
well as "Follow the flag" and those lovely blue semi-streamlined Wabash
Hudsons, with a soundtrack of NKP S3 Berkshires doubleheading up around the
Maumee curve onto the high tracks through Fort Wayne.
Have you been back to Willimantic to see the RR museum there?
http://www.cteastrrmuseum.org /
They've got a pretty good set-up. They rebuilt the old roundhouse,
excavated the turntable pit, and found a turntable to drop into it. They've
also collected several buildings like the old Groton freight house, and a
station or two. Plus, of course, the 1:1 equipment like their FL9, a couple
8600 coaches, the Pfizer switcher, etc.
My favorite one is the handcar:
http://www.cteastrrmuseum.org/PumpCar.htm According to the museum guy who
was showing us around, this handcar was built using plans found in Model
Railroader. How's that for a scratch building project? LOL
Paul A. Cutler III
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Weather Or No Go New Haven
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:25:22 GMT, I said, "Pick a card, any card"
Oh, yes. I get their calendar every year. Still have family there
including a cousin who volunteers time at the museum.
Parts hard to find?
Actually, I found an old handcar in the backwoods of North
Stonington (or it may have been Groton) many years ago. I never
could accurately place it on a map so the actual township is just a
guess. It's probably still there. I was working for a guy back in
the '60s who hired me to paint old but serviceable lathes that were
originally used in WWII to make battleship gun barrels. The rail
line had to pass close by in order to drop them off. It was a never
ending job, chipping, scraping, painting and putting cosmoline(sp?)
on the bare metal runners.
I fell in love with the guy's daughter. She'd bring lemonade to the
fields where the equipment rested. Sadly, she didn't feel the same
way about me. I can still see her in shorts with her blouse tied in
a knot just under her . . .
Sigh . . .
Go away now. I'm going to have a nap.
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Ray
I have even better idea. When someone discovers this forum why not
just post a normal on-topic message not even mentioning trolling.
That would have worked perfectly and would have prevent any long
lectures from current members. :-)
I've been posting using Google Groups for several years now and except
for occasional Mark Newton head-butting, I post on-topic.
Peteski
Hm... my handle isn't a real name, but most people don't regard me as a
troll.
I don't mind Google Groupers, but honestly for reading r.m.r, a NNTP
connection is best. You can use a real news reader with kill files and
filtering. I haven't seen anywhere near the volume of trash messages
here that people have complained about.
Many people use a fake or invalid email address in the from field so the
bots don't pick it up. If you "munge" your email address like Pac Man
suggests, it would only take a few seconds to write a program to
"demunge" it and spam it.
Those who do use a fake or invalid address usually provide a real one in
some form in their signature.
I agree.
You might also want to look up Godwin's law.
Agreed.
It's usually a good idea to do a search for "Usenet Etiquitte" and read a
couple of the resulting sites. There are things you'll never think of
that just tick people off. (Biggest one that gets me is not using blank
lines to seperate your reply from the previous reply.)
Puckdropper
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Wise is the man who attempts to answer his question before asking it.
To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm
Okay ... let us review some things here. You have stated that you aren't
a troll and sounded eager to be a good netizen and contribute. Someone
provided a well though out list of suggestions on exactly how to do that.
1) You completely ignored the most excellent suggestion of actually
signing a name. Something besides a stupid handle so that when someone
chooses to respond they don't start off with "Hey Dork".
2) You responded to a rather lengthy message of maybe 80 lines with a
two sentence reply and couldn't be bothered with trimming out the
superfluous text.
So far you are zero for two. You might revisit Pauls response and reread
it. There is much valuable information there that would benefit everyone.
Bill
[Usenet, DARPA and ARPA net since 1980] Argh it aint pretty what this
has turned into.
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