Bachmann Deltic Review.

I agree- I would like to hear a proper unbiased review of all models in the magazines!

I am simply amazed by the name calling and general abuse in the Deltic posts on here, I would think that a list of faults/comments would have been sent to Bachmann instead - much more constructive don't you think?

Alan

Bachmann probably already know, or should that be *knew*...??

Colin.

Undoubtedly so. I too am amazed and saddened by the attitude of some of the folks on this group. I agree that the 44 and the 55 are not perfect, the 44 less so than the 55, but just because some people cannot seem to listen to others points of view, they descend into a tirade of abuse.

I have the greatest respect for those who srtive for 100% accuracy in their models and layouts. I am one of those people that would porbably make those purists cringe. My layout when finished will not be 100% perfect, but it will do what I want, i.e. it will enable me to run my trains as I see fit. The review of the Deltic posted here has been very useful, objective and clearly states errors and positive points alike.

Just because it does not 100% agree with the opinions of one branch of our hobby does not give that branch of the hobby the right to abuse others. Just because I don't chase after 100% accuracy, but models of trains that I like the look of and I enjoy running on my layout doesn't give me the right to abuse and shout down those who do want their models perfect, so therefore I do not.

What does the abuse gain anyway? If the likes of Bachmann and Hornby were to look at these messages, would it encourage them to improve them? I agree with Alan whose message is above. Polite, constructive and friendly communication with the manufacturer will do a lot more good than going off on one at your keyboard.

Regards to all Djo

I've always found the best feedback to a manufacturer (of anything, but in this case model railway locomotives) of products that don't live up to customers' expectations is to say: 'I was really looking forward to your product 'x', but because of 'a', 'b', 'c', etc, I have decided not to purchase. If you manage to correct 'a', 'b', 'c', etc, then I will certainly be looking to make purchases.'

Basically, lack of attention to customers' expectations = lack of income to a manufacturer.

Ian J.

Exactly. With ANY model railway, we make compromises. In OO guage, we compromise on the distance between the rails. We reduce the lengths of sidings, platforms, etc to fit a station into our houses. We speed up time so that many trains arrive and depart in a matter of a few hours, when the prototype had a sparse service. What matters most is our enjoyment of the model, and whether this is affected by the models we run.

Yes, to more accurate RTR models, but isnt part of the enjoyment from improving on them? A program of constant improvement benefits all - the manufacturers (in improved sales) and the modeller.

To those who have such vicious remarks to say to those who are not as obsessive about the smallest detail as you I say this. Begone - we want a friendly hobby, where fellow enthusiasts are willing to assist all, whatever their level of skill and knowledge, and your attitude will only serve to give people the wrong impression.

What a wonderful post. Thank you Mr. Jones.

You've certainly confirmed your credibility with this one.

I'm particularly pleased to see you refraining from personal insults, as per your own ethical stance elsewhere.

What a joyous note to begin xmas week :-)

Merry Xmas and....

Regards, Brian

Hi Steve

You may be right with what you say about the Deltic and you obviously have the courage of your convictions. But the above paragraph is taking it a bit too far. You are basically trying to say "Anyone who disagrees with me is wrong" and I don't think that anyone on or off this group can be allowed to make blanket statements like that and not expect a reaction.

I agree with many of your comments, but I don't see the need to start calling others "idiots" or getting worked up about it. Why don't you just send a constructively worded letter to Bachmann? I'm sure that they'll welcome it.

Regards

Richard Davies

"Wolf Kirchmeir"

Agreed Wolf.

The reason I gave up on modelling UK was the poor quality of the rtr models available 20 years ago.

I decided to freelance because if I didn't, I would be a rivet counter. :-)

Freelancing overcomes the rivet counting "problem" as I (Underlined) decide what details all Great Eastern Railway locos and rolling stock carry, not the prototype. I do strive for an overall prototypical illusion and my GER operates in a decidedly prototypical manner, timetable, way bills etc. However, the main target is, as you point out, an "overall impression of trains + buildings + scenery" that (hopefully) tells the viewer that the GER is set in southern Quebec in the late 1950s. 1958 to be exact.

Freelancing is, unfortunately, not really an option for the vast majority of UK modellers, narrow gauge and light railways excluded, if you want a mainline type of model railway.

-- Happy Holidays Roger T.

"Gyle TMD"

Agreed.

After all guys, we're just talking about toy trains. Not the fate of the universe.

-- Happy Holidays Roger T.

Whoa, there! Chill.

Glad we didn't have this sort of thing when Lima bought out their N Gauge Deltic in 1979. Damn thing was so overscale it demolished my Builder-Plus footbridge!

Yes, the bonnet on the Baccy Deltic is a bit out but it's acceptable. We all make mistakes, as the Dalek said climbing off the dustbin.

The one I measured was 2'7 3/16" * 1'4 1/4" externally, with a visual frame width of 1 11/32".

Originally, these were chrome plated brass, but identically sized anodised extruded aluminium was used later.

It struck me recently looking at a Hymek photo, that the Hymek might have used the same items, as these were bought in from Beclawat.

Cheers, Francis K.

The front of the nose is completely missing and remainder is bent/distorted. The photos on the front cover of Bachmann's own magazine demonstrate this. The grills on the real Peak do not curve around the front of the nose. Anyone who can't see the difference should immediately apply for a job as chief draughtsman at Barwell. Who cares about 'seam lines' when the whole shape of the nose is completely wrong?

(kim)

message

The design figure is a fall of 3" between the base of the windscreen point and the front cross rail of the nose hatch. The protoypes suffered distortion due to their hard life, I found only one corner of D9015 to be a true arc when I looked it over!

I'm trying to do one!

Cheers, Francis K.

In message , Kim Pateman writes

What the hell are you banging on about. The grills on the model do not curve around the front of the nose either, see the pictures on page 2 of the collectors' club magazine. What you can see on the front cover is a trick of the light.

Thought you might have something to add.

Looking at pictures of 44004 taken at Ruddington on ABPR theres one picture taken as a front three quarter where the blue painted grill on the far side of the loco can just be made out so a straight on view would show some of the blue livery on both sides.

Has anyone actually measured the length of the nose on the Bach 44 and compared it to what it should be.

Not that I'll be buying one, with that ridiculous flush front to the nose

Mike Parkes snipped-for-privacy@mphgate.removetoreply demon.co.uk

In the case of the Deltic cab, the works drawings were amended as far as Issue J in Feb 1961, with a further minor mod added by Doncaster (undated).

Cheers, Francis K.

In message , Kim Pateman writes

What the hell are you banging on about. The grills on the model do not curve around the front of the nose either, see the pictures on page 2 of the collectors' club magazine. What you can see on the front cover is a trick of the light.

The front of the nose is all present and correct on mine, and its the right length over body and the right length over cabs compared to every drawing I can find.

Maybe you should look at more photos more carefully.

The job should be yours for the asking

Keith

Make friends in the hobby. Visit Garratt photos for the big steam lovers.

Now go to ABPR find the picture of 44004 at Ruddington taken by "55013" and reassess the above comment, alternatively don't think of

Mike Parkes snipped-for-privacy@mphgate.removetoreply demon.co.uk