Hats Off !!!

What's with all the hats (men) that I see in restaurants? Where did these
people learn their manners? It doesn't surprise me to see this on a 35 and
under age gent. But gees, some of these guys are way older than me (72) a
nd come in with wives that are nicely dressed. Baseball caps? Come on!
I realize that I'm old fashioned (still stand up when a lady approaches or
leaves a table, or enters a room) but I'm convinced that these very same ge
ezers would not have worn a hat indoors 30 years ago, but they do today. W
hat has happened?
Ivan Vegvary
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Ivan Vegvary
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They didn't learn (old) manners is the simple answer.
Some banks still post a take off your hat sign at the door, but I suspect this is not about manners.
Reply to
Cydrome Leader
I haven't been out to eat like that for many years...
As to wearing hats though, my hair is always a mess and I have a lot of it. So I mostly wear a hat just to hide all the messed up hair. At least the hair on top, don't worry too much about the ponytail. Having a sun/rain visor is nice too. Wearing glasses makes it especially so when it's raining.
At this age I really don't care much what other people think. I just try to be clean and courteous and let the chips fall wherever they do... There are places though where I will take it off and leave it in my vehicle.
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Leon Fisk
Maybe they're going bald? At least they're wearing the baseball caps the right way 'round, right?
Yes, times have changed and it's now quite acceptable to wear a hat indoors particularly when such hat is worn for style rather than utilitarian purposes. If it's a sopping wet Sou'Wester hat that you just wore while working outside, then you should take it off.
It's also okay to listen to music in public on headphones, play with your phone (this one is arguable), take photos of your food with said phone before you eat it etc.
Reply to
Spehro Pefhany
They are embarrassed about going bald. 30 years ago they'd have had a bad combover or a toupee - now they just wear a hat all the time.
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Ecnerwal
Heard about the guy who only tanned to about an inch above his eyes - he went to all kinds of specialists and no-one could tell him what the problem was, so he took to wearing a ball-cap all the time (which obviously didn't help, but hid the problem). One day he was at a new barber's getting his hair cut and the barber noticed and asked him what he did for a living. The guy said he was a lawyer, and the barber said "I knew it - all lawyers are full of shit, and you are down a quart!"
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clare
It's not just hats, but all manners have seemingly disappeared from public, and from all ages. I don't understand why, either, except that the entire American culture is increasingly decadent. A -whole- lot more than the hippies used to cry about. None of the immigrants are blending in with us or learning our language or customs, so that creates more division. Attorneys, the gov't, and schools fight for the bad guys nowadays. Our CONgress and the sitting President (an illegal immigrant) ignore the Constitution right and left, then pass bills that nobody seems to have read. We're imploding, Ivan. Hang on. The next (our last?) few years are gonna be ROUGH...
Reply to
Larry Jaques
The Baseball hat as you call them is a massive industry. Every vendor hands them out. John Deer has given me several now. One special. I have Fraternal hats.
Hats on some of the guys are hiding bald spots or burnt off from Cancer Treatments.
The large bill protects sensitive eyes - grand folks stayed in or wore larger hats.
Hats are considered common wear now days. If a Large felt hat, it comes off. If ball cap or the like it doesn't. I take off my Cowboy and wool hat, sometimes my ball hat (have about 60 of them) so it is common.
Martin
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Martin Eastburn
The growing electronics industry went to jeans and tee shirts back in the 60's, in reaction to IBM and Xerox's strict white-shirt dress codes.
Fashion-conscious New York magazine writers who visited the Segway factory noticed and commented on our very relaxed "dress code", though it's not much different from Broadway stage crew attire.
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"...the uniform should involve the standard black work slacks or pants, and a black polo, tee or pullover style shirt."
-jsw
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Jim Wilkins
I'm from Texas. Too hot here for that. I wear ties to weddings and funerals, and even that is becoming less common.
Pete Keillor
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Pete Keillor
The scope of RCM conversations continues to expand. Who would have thought that we'd be evaluating fashion trends?
To be really sensitive to proper attire, you have to evaluate the environment you're entering. For example, I have several CAT caps, with specific models of earth-moving equipment embroidered on them. Do I wear the one with the front-end loader or the bulldozer? It depends on whether I'm dining in Aurora or Joliet.
And my college-team baseball caps -- Washinton & Lee, or Georgetown? Will I be overdressed if I wear the Princeton cap?
Not at "21" in NYC. But probably at Tony's I-75 Restaurant in Flint. Consult first with your fashion advisor.
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Ed Huntress
When visiting auto factories the correct fashion is to be driving their product. Some of the engineers (not me!) had pissed off the secretary and she retaliated with flights and rental cars, so I arrived at the GM plant in Flint in an AMC Pacer.
-jsw
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Jim Wilkins
Oh, yeah. My son is in that spot. He has my Ford, but his current client is not-Ford. So his company rents him one of those not-Fords every Monday.
Reply to
Ed Huntress
In 1974 some GM bigwigs came out to check the progress on the seatbelt-interlock-module test station we were building for them, in a small backwoods town notable only for its wooden covered bridge.
The interlock was defective in the GM car they rented in Boston so they drove for two hours with the buzzer blaring. Their superior attitude wilted when we went out and silenced it for them in about 3 seconds.
-jsw
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Jim Wilkins
That's OK. Anything made by AMC far outclasses anything GM-made. Check the visuals on Consumer Reports for nearly any year since they started them. Honda's on top, GM is on the bottom.
I -truly- miss my old 1970 AMC Javelin.
Reply to
Larry Jaques
So it was YOU! I used to do that by removing the fuse to the interlock for customers, but then GM got 'smart' and wired the ignition through that same fuse.
Reply to
Larry Jaques
Well, I think that a "proper dress code" should be of interest to a "working man". I was the manager of a construction company in Indonesia and certainly when you walked in the door I formed an initial impression of you from the clothes you wore.
I had an Australian bloke come in, wearing a dirty wife beater, filthy shorts and rubber flip-flops and apparently hadn't had a bath in some time either. Said he was looking for a job and I told him "sorry mate, we are full up at the moment - but maybe in a few months if we get another contract ...". Never even asked what he did for a living.
In another instance I had a Australian bloke came in wearing a clean short sleeved shirt, long pants and serviceable shoes. He said, "I don't know what you do but I'm broke and need a job and I can work hard".
We interviewed him and eventually hired him as a "Logistics Supervisor". He worked a two year contract for us and when you asked him "what about that part for Rig 2", he'd flip his book open and say, "Yup, they ordered that on the 17th, none in stock, we ordered it from Singapore on the morning of the 18th and it will be on the afternoon airplane on the 20th".
The dirty shirt didn't even get interviewed and the clean shirt did...
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John B.
I did like driving it, the trouble was that it looked like something a French chef caught in a swamp.
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I hid it in the back of the parking lot, behind an equally offensive (to GM, not me) Honda Civic.
Small, low-profit cars in general were BAD. In private Chevette was pronounced Shove-it.
When foreign economy cars held 18% of the market they weren't worth competing with. At 22% they became a national threat that demanded goverrnment action.
-jsw
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Jim Wilkins

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