What's with all the hats (men) that I see in restaurants? Where did these
people learn their manners? It doesn't surprise me to see this on a 35 and
under age gent. But gees, some of these guys are way older than me (72) a
nd come in with wives that are nicely dressed. Baseball caps? Come on!
I realize that I'm old fashioned (still stand up when a lady approaches or
leaves a table, or enters a room) but I'm convinced that these very same ge
ezers would not have worn a hat indoors 30 years ago, but they do today. W
hat has happened?
I haven't been out to eat like that for many years...
As to wearing hats though, my hair is always a mess and I have a lot of
it. So I mostly wear a hat just to hide all the messed up hair. At
least the hair on top, don't worry too much about the ponytail. Having
a sun/rain visor is nice too. Wearing glasses makes it especially so
when it's raining.
At this age I really don't care much what other people think. I just
try to be clean and courteous and let the chips fall wherever they
do... There are places though where I will take it off and leave it in
Maybe they're going bald? At least they're wearing the baseball caps
the right way 'round, right?
Yes, times have changed and it's now quite acceptable to wear a hat
indoors particularly when such hat is worn for style rather than
utilitarian purposes. If it's a sopping wet Sou'Wester hat that you
just wore while working outside, then you should take it off.
It's also okay to listen to music in public on headphones, play with
your phone (this one is arguable), take photos of your food with said
phone before you eat it etc.
Heard about the guy who only tanned to about an inch above his eyes -
he went to all kinds of specialists and no-one could tell him what the
problem was, so he took to wearing a ball-cap all the time (which
obviously didn't help, but hid the problem). One day he was at a new
barber's getting his hair cut and the barber noticed and asked him
what he did for a living. The guy said he was a lawyer, and the barber
said "I knew it - all lawyers are full of shit, and you are down a
It's not just hats, but all manners have seemingly disappeared from
public, and from all ages. I don't understand why, either, except
that the entire American culture is increasingly decadent. A -whole-
lot more than the hippies used to cry about. None of the immigrants
are blending in with us or learning our language or customs, so that
creates more division. Attorneys, the gov't, and schools fight for
the bad guys nowadays. Our CONgress and the sitting President (an
illegal immigrant) ignore the Constitution right and left, then pass
bills that nobody seems to have read. We're imploding, Ivan. Hang
on. The next (our last?) few years are gonna be ROUGH...
The Baseball hat as you call them is a massive industry. Every vendor
hands them out. John Deer has given me several now. One special.
I have Fraternal hats.
Hats on some of the guys are hiding bald spots or burnt off from Cancer
The large bill protects sensitive eyes - grand folks stayed in or wore
Hats are considered common wear now days. If a Large felt hat, it comes
off. If ball cap or the like it doesn't. I take off my Cowboy and
wool hat, sometimes my ball hat (have about 60 of them) so it is common.
The growing electronics industry went to jeans and tee shirts back in
the 60's, in reaction to IBM and Xerox's strict white-shirt dress
Fashion-conscious New York magazine writers who visited the Segway
factory noticed and commented on our very relaxed "dress code", though
it's not much different from Broadway stage crew attire.
"...the uniform should involve the standard black work slacks or
pants, and a black polo, tee or pullover style shirt."
The scope of RCM conversations continues to expand. Who would have
thought that we'd be evaluating fashion trends?
To be really sensitive to proper attire, you have to evaluate the
environment you're entering. For example, I have several CAT caps,
with specific models of earth-moving equipment embroidered on them. Do
I wear the one with the front-end loader or the bulldozer? It depends
on whether I'm dining in Aurora or Joliet.
And my college-team baseball caps -- Washinton & Lee, or Georgetown?
Will I be overdressed if I wear the Princeton cap?
Not at "21" in NYC. But probably at Tony's I-75 Restaurant in Flint.
Consult first with your fashion advisor.
When visiting auto factories the correct fashion is to be driving
their product. Some of the engineers (not me!) had pissed off the
secretary and she retaliated with flights and rental cars, so I
arrived at the GM plant in Flint in an AMC Pacer.
In 1974 some GM bigwigs came out to check the progress on the
seatbelt-interlock-module test station we were building for them, in a
small backwoods town notable only for its wooden covered bridge.
The interlock was defective in the GM car they rented in Boston so
they drove for two hours with the buzzer blaring. Their superior
attitude wilted when we went out and silenced it for them in about 3
That's OK. Anything made by AMC far outclasses anything GM-made.
Check the visuals on Consumer Reports for nearly any year since they
started them. Honda's on top, GM is on the bottom.
I -truly- miss my old 1970 AMC Javelin.
Well, I think that a "proper dress code" should be of interest to a
"working man". I was the manager of a construction company in
Indonesia and certainly when you walked in the door I formed an
initial impression of you from the clothes you wore.
I had an Australian bloke come in, wearing a dirty wife beater, filthy
shorts and rubber flip-flops and apparently hadn't had a bath in some
time either. Said he was looking for a job and I told him "sorry mate,
we are full up at the moment - but maybe in a few months if we get
another contract ...". Never even asked what he did for a living.
In another instance I had a Australian bloke came in wearing a clean
short sleeved shirt, long pants and serviceable shoes. He said, "I
don't know what you do but I'm broke and need a job and I can work
We interviewed him and eventually hired him as a "Logistics
Supervisor". He worked a two year contract for us and when you asked
him "what about that part for Rig 2", he'd flip his book open and say,
"Yup, they ordered that on the 17th, none in stock, we ordered it from
Singapore on the morning of the 18th and it will be on the afternoon
airplane on the 20th".
The dirty shirt didn't even get interviewed and the clean shirt did...
I did like driving it, the trouble was that it looked like something a
French chef caught in a swamp.
I hid it in the back of the parking lot, behind an equally offensive
(to GM, not me) Honda Civic.
Small, low-profit cars in general were BAD. In private Chevette was
When foreign economy cars held 18% of the market they weren't worth
competing with. At 22% they became a national threat that demanded