OT- Varmint Removal - (Sorry Nick M)

Effective range of only 100 yrds???? It will shoot over a mile at a 47' angle.

You only get a 2" group with your 270? Not handloading I take it? And its a light sporter barrel and not been bedded?

Gunner

Political Correctness

A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

That's all true. I bought the thing at Walmart, and shoot it like I bought it. :) I don't need to be more accurate than that.

Come on, you of all people should know what effective range means.

So, you're saying that a decent target .22, set up with the right ammo, on a perfect day (no wind) with a skilled marksman, can shoot a 2" group at 200 meters. This guy is claiming a 2" group at 300 meters, with standard ammo, and doesn't sound like a guy that's shot thousands of rounds to me.

So, which is it? Can an average guy hold a 2" group at 300 yards with a .22 or not? Is the OP a skilled shooter, beyond the abilities of most people, or is he a blow hard? Or, do you think he just got lucky?

On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:29:42 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, "Dave Lyon" quickly quoth:

Would you willingly stand 1/2 mile away and let someone shoot a .22 at you, Dave? (I didn't think so.)

---=====--- After all else fails, read the instructions. ---=====---

Shooting a 1911A at an indoor target range I was surprised that when looking over by buddy's left shoulder, so the muzzle flash was hidden by his head, (he was doing the shooting when I did this you understand)I could see the bullet as it traveled downrage. Forshortening and strong side lighting made that possible I think.

Squeezing, farting, scratching, and smoking?

I'd be more likely to pay you $20 to stop.

On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:36:39 GMT, "Dave Lyon" scribed:

Hi Dave,

While it is much ado about nothing...

I setup a dozen dimes (glued to green fluorescent painted popsicle sticks) into my back fence which is about 400+ feet from my shooting spot. (about 130 meters.) Using a steady rest and well scoped rifle, was able to drop them all, mostly hitting the dime. Not always on center, and I did miss one. I painted them so I could find the sticks to see where the hit was. Only found a couple of the dimes, and the ones I did find were spot on.

A dime is about .400" or roughly 1 centimeter in diameter. Would have used pennies, but harder to see in the light we had.

I would say yes, a skilled marksman with the right equipment and ammunition can drill a hole through a silver dollar at 300 yards and a military trained sniper could do it from 500-1000 yards... They have better goodies than I do.

BTW: I got my marksmanship badge from the Boy Scouts...

Best,

Phred

On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 20:07:17 GMT, "Harold and Susan Vordos" scribed:

Actually, they do, but more like Duck...

Peacock is a dark, sweet, juicy meat not unlike duck but considerably less fatty. I recommend checking the degree of fat on the carcass, and barding (draping with fat bacon or rubbing/injecting with butter or oil) if the bird is a lean one. Simple roasting or braising will bring out its unique and delicate flavor; do not overcook peafowl. A good herbal pairing would be herbs du provence with lavender and thyme, or perhaps fresh rosemary. Roasted or braised root vegetables or squashes are another good accompaniment to this delicately flavored and savory meat.

Sounds good. Enjoy...

On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:54:41 -0500, Phred scribed:

Actually, whack a few and I'll compensate you and happily pay the shipping costs... Seems delicious! I'm salivating right now... ;)

Phred

With a bit of tweaking..it likely can be made to shoot far far more accurately than it does now.

However..like any tool, some dont need to be as accurate as others given a particularl need.

Im reminded of a vierner I saw some years ago. It read in 1/16ths of an inch and was used for carpenters or some such. It read thickness just fine, just not as accurately as a decent dial that reads in .001 increments.

Both are perfectly suitable tools for the job each was intended for.

Gunner

Political Correctness

A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

Please define it, so we can both be discussing it from the same playing field. Im not saying this as a argument, but a request for a clarifier.

Gunner

Political Correctness

A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

Typo on my part. I did indeed mean to say 300 meters.

An average guy with a well setup 22 accurate can indeed shoot a 2" group at 300 meters if ALL the right conditions exist. There are indeed some tricks to it, but any varmint shooter already employes them.

I dont know the poster personally, though he seems to be level headed and reasonable, so cannot state if he is a blowhard or not. Im also reminded that most folks tend to way overestimate ranges if not measured.

On the other hand I have shot similar groups at similar ranges. Not consistantly as perfect conditions for this are very hard to find, but consistantly enough to know its possible. Im pretty fair with firearms, but Im hardly a walk on the water type, so if I can do it, Id expect others to be able to do it as well, if not better.

Shrug

Gunner

Political Correctness

A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

Indeed. One can also, when the conditions are right, watch high speed bullets such as the 308 and the 22-250 travel down range. Metallic Silhouette shooters..least their spotters, find this quite common.

Light from the right side, cool crisp day, somewhat subdued cloud cover and its fascinating to watch the bright base of the bullet AND the shockwave traveling downrange. Get some interesting spriral vortex's and whatnot. Ive never been able to catch one with a camera, but its still neat to see.

Ill be sure to eat off a Mexican roachcoach before we go to the range next time

Gunner

Political Correctness

A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

Id be hunting cover if they were popping caps at me from a mile. Particularly if they were useing volley fire. While such a round may not shoot a hole through both sides of me..Id expect it to hurt like a sumbitch and have to be dug out of the hide.

True indeed that it would be high angle incoming, but gravity is also on the bullets side as well here.

If one thinks about that definition..one will find it to be hopelessly generic and while philosophicly correct..in the real world..totally inadequate.

Its like asking how high is up.

Hence my request for a definition we both can agree on

Gunner

Political Correctness

A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

No, I wouldn't. I also wouldn't jump off a bridge just because my friends were doing it. What does that have to do with accuracy?

I call that good shooting. Is that with a .22 LR?

And, the point I've been trying to make is the "right equipment". I know that 300 yard shots can be made, but a .22 is NOT the right equipment.

OK, with that said, I guess we'll just have to say I'm not nearly as good a marksman as I thought I was.

On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 06:57:15 -0500, Pete Keillor scribed:

Damn, gotta love your Mom and Auntie... Women with guns!

Best to them!

Phred

On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:21:48 GMT, "Dave Lyon" scribed:

Yes, A circa 1912 Stevens Competition Class bolt action rifle with a Ithica 20x scope, and a 5 shot boxed magazine. Ammo was Winchester CF LR22 X cartridge with about 1800 f/ps+ velocity.

The dang barrel is over 1.3 inches in diameter, and is a VERY heavy gun, solid hardwood stock and very well made receiver and bolting. I think it was a sniper training rifle during the first or second world wars. I also could be very mistaken.

I will say one thing though: It is accurate as the day is long.

Cheers,

Phred