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A motor not compliant with ANY aspect of the definition of a MR this permit does not apply to. Certification pops to mind.

A motor not compliant with ANY aspect of the definition of a HPR this permit does not apply to. Certification pops to mind.

Further this was $9000 until recently and at the time in question (a decade ago now) which is why those activities did not occur in CA even when there were certified HPR motors. They were 49 state motors.

As long as I can recall there have been two layers of rocketry activity in CA.

"Consumer"ie NAR certified (ROC launches for example), and Amateur (Kosdon launches, RRS, etc). There are essentially NO restrictions at amateur launches. Just as there are no restrictions in the other 49 states.

However you do NOT see HPR motors at retail in CA anyway since the USER also needs a permit (bad rule). The only jurisdiction where that is the case.

So anyone buying HPR motors at NAR/TRA launches in CA are most likely in violation of state law.

Care to open THAT can of worms?

I don't.

So much so Kosdon could not afford it despite actively doing business, Aerotech could not afford it after Scott Bartel paid it the very first time and got AT HPR motors listed by CSFM. So even AT was non-compliant a lot of the time.

It requires ANNUAL renewal at $9000 a year (recently reduced to under $3500) PLUS listing fees for EACH motor type, for ONE state with harsh restrictions on flying and BUYERS.

Care to open THAT can of worms?

I don't.

Why don't you share with everyone all the work Brian Teeling did in regard to setting up the "Pomona facility" for Powertech in order to get permits in the name of the partnership Brian Teeling was equal partner in?

We're talking elementary school kids flying estes stuff, not hpr.

There was no "Pomona facility", so how could it have permits?

And since we're on the topic of Powertech, when do you intend on paying the fraud judgment against you?

Care to admit yuu are Brian Teeling now so that is on the record?

Jerry

What's the difference if he does or he doesn't?

No need, I think anybody who cares already knows who I am.

So the answer is no. You refuse to admit something so simple.

jerry, if you know who I am, isn't that ALL that matters?

I give you permission to tell everyone, who you think I am.

Here's a simple question, when are you going to pay off on the fraud judgment?

you seem very afraid to answer THAT question.

the national organizations remain "wrong" on several levels, the points of which have been discussed ad naseum

one's failure to grasp that makes further discussion about Jerry's historical contribution or the merits of his position pointless, as a adequate frame of reference is demonstrably absent

suffice it to say that "no good deed should go unpunished" still prevails

- iz

I guess this finally and clearly defines who "Dave" really is...

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

Does this mean that every "EX" in CA needs a $1500 permit?

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

rocketry:

Any rocket motors that are sold, are by definition _consumer_ rocket motors, either model or high power.

Yes, as I stated the fees were much higher until recently.

Uh, which activities are you referring to?

activity

Sales make consumers.

A state pyro op license is required. Only a licensed pyro op can load the rocket. Bunkers are required for spectators, with overhead protection.

This is verifiably false.

Yes, the user needs a permit, OR they can fly under the supervision of a permit holder.

I posted all the current fees.

What's that supposed to mean? The regs are what they are.

No. What we call "high power", the state of CA calls "experimental high power". Amateur rocketry is referred to as "experimental/unlimited".

A pyro-ops "Rockets, Third Class" license is required for high power flyers. If I remember correctly, you need at least a Second Class license to mix propellent. All three classes have a $50 annual fee.

=CD

Great. Where?

So YOU say.

Jerry

Not exactly.

This is a catagory of super model rocket. If ANY of the requirements are not met the motor does not apply to this class.

Just like the G125 is no longer a model rocket motor.

(Yet another bad NAR rule)

Jerry

I wonder what his source of info is?

:)

that never happened either.

No, "EX" would not involve commercial sale of HPR motors, all that's needed is a Pyro Op holder present.