ROL NEWS--Sky Ripper Motors Certified

Ask her if she has knowledge of manufacturing requirements or has even inspected a manufacturer. However, the word of a field agent means nothing. They are code interpreters much like a building inspector. Only a written response from Washington is relevant. And if you're going to that much trouble, distinguish between commercial and non-commercial manufacturing. If you call the ATF office, you can get the name of the gentleman involved in the lawsuit. He should be most familiar with the issue.

Joel. phx

Videotape everything with her consent.

Yup, it's a copy of the Urbanski/Colburn design. And whaddya know, Bill Colburn happens to think it's cool that several companies have taken what he and Urbanski intentionally put into the public domain and made a product of it.

I know. I personally asked him.

-Kevin

This is my last post to this thread. To the people who have had positive and supportive things to say, it is appreciated. To anyone else, at least I can thank you for keeping the headline active for an extra week on RMR.. ;)

Just to make some points on things I have read in this thread...

Not sure who said it, but I saw:

'Preheater grains are just scraps'....

This is wrong. The Sky Ripper preheaters are cast in a tube of our specification, and cut to custom lengths by propellant manufacturing professionals.

We believe that including the preheaters with the reload kit enhances the value of the product in the marketplace. If we were not told we were required to include preheaters, we most likely would have done it anyway.

There was some talk about the preheater for a hybrid being equivalent to an igniter in an APCP motor. I agree with this 100%. I have made the commitment in the past that I will submit to the TRA BoD a paper, requesting that hybrid motor certifications include any ignition source that the manufacturer recommends, regardless of the ignition source used for certification testing. If it's an APCP preheater, or a spark and GOX, it is merely an igniter, nothing more.

This is something I have heard in the past. If the SRS motor is indeed a direct copy, you might want to ask Bob Fortune and Todd Harrison how it was that their rockets got blown to hell on early test flights. We feel that we have innovated in manufacturing, marketing, and in a small part, design. If you navigate to the Sky Ripper web page, you will see a 'credits' page that shows the innovators on whose designs our 38mm motors were based. (U/C and floating injectors/monotubes) That page has been up since nearly day one.

I have talked to Marcus at LDRS and talk with Scott from WCH nearly daily, and would consider each a friend. I don't know Dave, but Woody had contact with him earlier this spring and as I understand it, they got along well. None of these people have ever said to us that they felt we were 'ripping' them off. Jeff Jakob lambasted me pretty good about a year ago on ROL, and I sent him an email message requesting a dialog, but he never returned the message.

Our 54mm products will show more innovation, as we have learned a lot during the 38mm testing phase. Having more 'room' to work in a 2" space, our early tests on the 54mm product show great promise.

54mm J360, 2.1lbs of N20, 3sec. burn time. One of the goals I have for Sky Ripper Systems is to widen the market for hybrids. Right now, hybrids are at the fringe end of a fringe hobby. I'd like to think we are releasing products that make people think of hybrids as a viable alliterative and companion to solids, by removing some real and perceived complications and limitations. If the market for hybrids can be grown, then all hybrid manufacturers will see a benefit.

Todd Moore

I doubt that it matters to them. They do because they can.

I think an agent could ruin your day if they wanted to.

I don't think Jerry wants me to ask about it so I won't. Maybe Fred will check into it for him. 8-)

You mean there's something that Jerry didn't invent? That's hard to believe. I'm sure Jerry will set the record straight.

You do a good Jerry imitation. If her experience isn't with regulation of manufacturing, then her opinion is just that. If the agent has only inspected type 1 magazines and tells you 1/2 plate is needed on the walls for a type 4 are you going to roll over?

Duh. A building inspector can too, even if they are wrong about the code. Could take you days to get a clarification and in the mean time the interest rate is compounding. Anything that is in disagreement would have to be resolved higher up so anything they say is meaningless or 'an opinion'. Even if your agent agreed that permits were not required for manufacturing, I still wouldn't trust the response.

That is the funniest thing I've seen posted on rmr, especially considering:

"I'm not going to sit by like a pussy & have these guys spreading lies." I guess maybe that IS the case.

Well, just as long as the club can keep rmr about Jerry.

Joel. phx

ooo ooo ooo may I answer?

Yes!

Situational ethics at work :)

Point.

My bad. I'm sorry.

Hey, your doing a pretty good job..(;-) BTW, I didn't know i was a club??

More like a knife in the back...

-dave w

This is a typo.... should say '1.2 lbs of N20'...

Sorry for the confusion.

Todd

Guilty?? Of what?

I refuse to be a member of another BOD.......

Yes, but it's so much fun to keep Jerry omn the run..(;-)

I thought Jerry invented HPR..(:-)

Joel, you posted more lines in this one post than I produce in a dozen posts..(;-)

Fred

Hey, I'm more of a gut sticker: you know; right hand holding the back of the head as I stick it in the gut, looking them square in the face.(;-)

BTW, I'm sure Jerry enjoyed your daily kiss; back under your bridge.

Fred

Asking them about Jerry's situation was meant as a joke. First off, it's his problem not mine. Also after his encounter with DOT, I'm sure he doesn't want anyone making inquiries on his behalf. I think he's wrong about manufacturers not needing a LEMP but it doesn't matter because he says he's not making anything.

Not a bad one either, but would you not say the whole purpose was to get his goat so he would reply and keep rmr about Jerry? That's sure how it appears when threads go on and on and on with him and a small group of respondents.

Yeah, got that. 2 months of lengthy $40k threads when we could have been encouraging new fliers.

1) I think. If you're trying to correct 'lies', I would think knowing the truth would be important in fact, nail him with the truth. 2) It doesn't matter. Then why post it. I think it is important to know if permits are needed for manufacturing if you're going to debate it.

Look, I'm not saying he does or doesn't deserve the treatment. I'm saying rmr doesn't.

Joel. phx

Besides, it's funnier when no one replies.... ;)

{blink blink} Say, who's that guy talking to?

For you. Not for rmr as a whole.

I realize you're being obtuse, but the point being you caused there to be more lines in that thread by posting the dozen posts.

You've hammered him with the $40k for months now, it's obvious he doesn't care.

Could you give it a rest and help focus rmr onto rocketry?

Joel. phx