ROL NEWS--Sky Ripper Motors Certified

What BS? Seriously.

Try it Jerry, you might just be surprised..

Fred

I asked you a question.

What BS?

Be specific.

Your claims of being legal, for years and years = BS. Now go away jerry or do a google search; all the information is out there and need not be "specifically" repeated and rehashed. You know, $40K, etc. Do you have new and updated information to share with us??

Fred

No they are not.

Look

ATF: not required

CSFM: not required in 49 states and 140 countries and I had it as of

DOT: ACS has 1.3C issued at minimum. Usage of it was LEGALLY transferred (per the DOT's own regulations. To wit:

The DOT definition of a "person" and the ways persons can transfer rights.

TRA/NAR/CAR: USR and ACS had TRA certified motors from inception to 2001.

Those are my claims of being legal. What are yours?

You are exploiting the fact DOT like ATF oversteps its own bounds without hesitation or instant recourse. That exploitation is anti-rocketeer, anti-consumer, unethical, and possibly criminal.

Jerry

You, sir are officialy a dick.

"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual."

- Thomas Jefferson

"Yeah, it's amazing that an organziation, let alone two would put up such an amount of cash to fight the BATFE only to roll over when they won."

-Joel Corwith

- W.E. "Fred" Wallace, MDRA 6-26-01 letter to DOT

I fail to see how you would be fined if you were ok with DOT. Can you explain that?

I did.

Jerry

I know that you claim you did but because you got fined, I don't believe that everything is right. Has anything with DOT changed since you were fined?

Then you have not independently read and understood the law and the DOT order. They lied. They can do that. They are the judge, jury, and executioner in an administrative matter. It is a monologue.

Jerry

Probably because, within the DOT bureaucracy, once they have a record someone has filed an "enforcement complaint", it's far easier for the paper pushers to "close the case" with a recorded administrative sanction ("check here and enter case number") than it is to do anything else with it ("submit form 11357a in triplicate, countersigned by your supervisor and the Office Of Alternate Explanations") - and your job performance reviews are based on things like "average closure rates of enforcement complaints", so it makes you look really bad if you just leave them sit around "open" in the files. Whether or not the original complaint was really justified is probably the least of the issue as long as they can patch together a claim that backs up their version of the story. (The DOT "action on appeal" document from Jerry's case smells like what people say about Michael Moore movies and NASA powerpoint briefings: stuff pieced together out of context to push a preconceived point.)

-dave w

I actually agree with that characterization.

Jerry

Yep Jerry, there is rubber band logic in that statement, somewhere.

Fred

Sorry Dave, I can't buy into that. The downside to the investigator for doning the wrong thing is to big for having wrong answers. Also, do you think Jerry is going to roll over & shut up about it if he didn't know they are right?

"too big" in what way SPECIFICALLY?

They seem immune by layering and cost constraints to me.

It's 40k too bad so sad, lie or not.

Fred can dance on my grave with impunity, apparantly.

Jerry

Just for the record, it should be noted that CSFM permits are required for any manufacturer, importer, exporter or vendor of model or high power rocket motors.

Don't you think it would make the accuser look pretty bad if they wrongly accused someone?

The government is immune from ALL its rules.

It has super-citizen rights.

Answer the question. Cite regulations or rules with consequences.

I suggest

Ray, Don't confuse him with obvious facts.(;-)

Fred