ROL NEWS--Sky Ripper Motors Certified

Demand is fairly inelastic to price. It is mostly a supply creates demand market because every vendor is at the bottom of the production volume curve. Effectively everything offered is a "collectible" and a "net transfer of value to the consumer".

Hence the saying, "the best way to make a small fortune in the rocket business is to start with a large one.

Net transfer of value.

Look at the excellent company Rocket Vision for example.

Early ACS-Reaction Labs, and others.

If what you mean is that demand will not grow much beyond a certain point regardless of price, I agree. Every market has a saturation point and smaller markets are more sensitive to saturation. But with multiple sources price will tend to influence demand for a particular source. If AMW cut their prices drastically below AT, EM, and CTI I would expect the demand for AMW motors to increase within the limits of the saturation point. In specialty markets there are usually some non-tangible elements that influence demand. Service and reliability, for example, may be more important than price alone. I might be willing to pay more for a similar product based on the service of the vendor or the reliability of the product. This is why Honda can charge more for an Acura MDX than a Honda Pilot or Toyota can charge more for a Lexis RX330 than a Toyota Highlander.

My point, and I think you agree with it, is that margins are so thin that we are getting the products essentially at cost. The true cost of the product, however, is more than just the raw material that makes up the piece we hold. Anthony used a term that few people know or understand: burden.

This industry is in constant saturation for one simple reason. The clubs have restricted the market size to 2500 screaming whiners with Certs and with the "constant fear that ATF permits are needed".

It truncates 98% of the willing market for HPR.

Jerry

Anthony is smart.

He hires propeller heads :)

Why?

You do not care.

You only harass and stalk.

Oh, that's a stretch! As Jerry is so fond of saying, your question assumes facts not in evidence. Jerry's decertification had nothing to do with the issue of reloads vs single-use.

Yesterday you stated that you were "blackballed" for holding "fee-less" launches. Today you say it's because TRA doesn't like single-use motor manufacturers. I can't wait to see what tomorrow's story will be!

How??

No, at best I may have some insight into consumer psychology. I make no attempt to understand the unwillingness of manufacturers to market more SU motors. (However, I am aware of the impact of BATFE and DOT rules.)

I can assure you that AR/EX is more expensive, especially if one does the proper testing, perhaps much more testing than TMT requires for certification. My point is not so much about price, as much as product availability. I'd certainly expect to pay significantly more for motors/reloads with case loss insurance. Sport rocket motor manufacture's profit margins may be low, but they don't make much money off of AR/EX.

Alan

Multiple reasons/excuses multiple TRA acts.

I can't remember the last time 3 solid J motors only ran me $40.....Hell I can't remember the last ONE solid J motor cost me less than $40!!! and THAT is with RMS/Pro 38/Pro 54....These motors rock and are extremely cost effective. I have watched the manufacturer develop and certify these motors.It was no easy or inexpensive task. The manufacturer is also developing more motors that offer excellent performance and a non LEUP solution to flying big motors....plenty of convenience....low cost per flight....great performance......Certified motors available for ALL commercial launches...I don't think there is room to complain.

Mark A Palmer TRA 08542 L3

So design, build & certify your own. Then you have it all.

Hybrid reloads can't be related to solid motors because there is no government related overhead to selling plastic tubes. These plastic tubes at the lower impulse levels(G-H) aren't any cheaper than solid reloads either.

I guess that isn't totally true if the system uses pyro ignition, but I don't see options to buy without the pyro parts for those who can take care of that part on their own.

Pax

Gotta love the mindless insults that come out of anything on RMR.

I don't see anything moronic about what I said. Just trying to figure out why hybrid reloads cost so much even with the lack of most of the government overhead related to solid motors....

Pax

I didn't say anything about the sytems. I am talking about reloads only.

TRA overregulation is worse.

Jerry hijacked:

In what way, specifically, does certification make hybrid reloads cost "so much"? Please provide specific figures and cite your sources.

Why do you want rmr to be all about Jerry?

Joel. phx