Sad example of nanny govt damaging our hobby

about "discrimination".

I do this everytime the Pledge of Allegience comes about when I'm helping the club at some scout pack demo. I recite the original Pledge or stay silent, not the violation of Separation of Church and State modification that got added the year I was born (1954, I'm an old fart and proud of it!). You know, the part that goes "...one nation under (OUR!) god..." That was something the author, who was a Baptist preacher, saw fit to omit. Given the cliche view of baptists as myopics, I think there's a major clue here. I wonder what "them thar damned liberals" rant Mr Word of Reason would blare at us over the fact that the fellow was also a socialist? McCarthy-ites are, sadly, never at a loss for words. And since I've mentioned it, here's the original Pledge: "I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

Chuck

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Zathras of the Great Machine
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NAR and TRA have equal opportunity exclusion practices for both MR and HPR, just different ones targeted at each.

Reply to
Jerry Irvine

drivel snipped.

For years I have advocated a crippleware NAR membership.

For decades I actually DID ROM at USR. It was WELL RECEIVED.

I also tried "voluntary membership fees" at launches and it was a resounding success because poor people copuld afford to come and spread the word to all their richer friends who FLEW ROCKETS everyone could watch. In style and comfort.

I have walked the walk.

Jerry

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Jerry Irvine

So weren't you perceived to be doing a "silent prayer" and you did not disclose otherwise?

hmmm?

Reply to
Jerry Irvine

welcome to amerika.

Reply to
Jerry Irvine

Not the NAR. They rely on Estes for that.

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Jerry Irvine

or rmr

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Jerry Irvine

jerry, you never had "voluntary" fees at your launches until the BLM showed up at one of your launches and threatened to fine you for not having a BLM permit.

Oh by the way, where do you "walk" now?

Reply to
Dave Grayvis

Hey Chuck...

I disagree with you, but fully support your position. No one should force any other person to do or say anything that they don't agree with. I do not, and will not say the pledge of allegiance. I give my allegiance to my God, my country, and my family, not a cloth banner.

BTW, I also think that all atheists in the United States should send me all their cash. If you look, you will find, clearly printed on all bills, and engraved on all coins, the words "In God We Trust". So, send ME all your dough... Hehehehe. (Relax, it's a joke, man. A JOKE.)

James

whining about "discrimination".

Reply to
James L. Marino

True, but it says nothing about sexual orientation...

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

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Bob Kaplow

There is one significant difference between the AMA (and for that matter TRA) and the NAR that is critical when working with schools and other youth groups, or the general public:

AMA insurance requires that EVERYONE who flies a model airplane at an AMA club field be an AMA member. TRA insurance has the same requirement, with the exception of allowing insured NAR members to fly as well.

NAR insurance covers the club and the site owner even with guests who are non members flying. Without this critical coverage, it would end ALL outreach programs.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

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Bob Kaplow

any other person to do or say anything that they don't agree with. I do not, and will not say the pledge of allegiance. I give my allegiance to my God, my country, and my family, not a cloth banner.

This I can agree with, and have no trouble with, this. Certainly the flag is as you say, just a piece of cloth. However, it DOES represent the country and the ideals of said country. As such it's nothing I'll be too concerned with given how many other representative symbols we take as percieved. Money being one of them.

their cash. If you look, you will find, clearly printed on all bills, and engraved on all coins, the words "In God We Trust". So, send ME all your dough... Hehehehe. (Relax, it's a joke, man. A JOKE.)

They made money for all the atheists and non-christians (that's me) you know. Don't you recall the saying "In God we trust, all others pay cash"? So I'll be awaiting for _your_ package in the mail, since you don't really need the stuff. ;-)

Chuck

Reply to
Zathras of the Great Machine

It says you have to be "morally straight". If you don't believe that deviant sexual behavior is immoral, that's your right. Allow the Boy Scouts the same right to the their beliefs.

Reply to
RayDunakin

I nelieve the original poster meant a different AMA: American Motorcyclist Association (not Academy of Model Aeronautics).

-dave w

Reply to
David Weinshenker

In those days, *nobody* did a silent prayer. All the kids did a recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance and the Lord's Prayer. So there was no reason for them to 'perceive' anything...

Eldred

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EldredP

The AMA only charges $1 for youth memberships !

I mentioned this to Nar HQ at Naram-45 and narcon

Reply to
AlMax

So they ignore you too, eh?

Reply to
Jerry Irvine

Nah, just you.

Reply to
Dave Grayvis

Ray, don't be an idiot. organizations taking public facilities & public support must be inclusive. Boy Scouts are not inclusive so they should get no public support. it's that simple. No tolerance for intolerance.

RayDunak> >

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Cliff Sojourner

that's the reason I wouldn't join BSA when I was 7 years old. even then I couldn't stand the god stuff.

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Cliff Sojourner

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