[TRA motor certs] USR

Jerry Irvine · 2004-01-09T16:31:07+00:00

As you all know there has been an ongoing discussion of TRA motor cert policy as it relates to USR (branded motors).On the issue of DOT paperwork several "speculations" have been offered as to what TRA actually says after rejecting the paper work. Everything from fraud papers, to OEM name not matching the USR brand, challenges of ownership despite written proof and even law cites supporting it.To date the only efforts TRA has engaged in has been direct contacts with DOT in an active effort to get the paperwork INVALIDATED so they will be able to claim it is in some way not valid. This disregards the fact that if it is "invalidated" that would mean it was VALID prior to the invalidation.The strategy of TRA to intentionally invalidate any government document is disturbing.Then on the issue of ATF permits, we all now know they are NOT required by law, by NFPA since it does NOT override law, and is ONLY required by arbitrary club rule by people who cannot read and understand the law. Even when explained to them in detail by their own attorneys in writing in minute detail.Furthermore a submission was made with a proper LEMP and even that submission was refused.DEMAND (public notice)TRA (and each agent, assign, member or representative) is hereby notified to cease and desist all contacts with DOT as I have no pending application for motors to be certified with TRA. Disclose all such DOT contacts to date to Jerry Irvine personally.TRA, State when you consider the MOST RECENT application for motor certifications to have occured, whether or not successful.TRA has gone on the record of regularly following these threads without replying to them "in public". Great reply to me in private.Jerry

Jan 09, 2004 437 Replies

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NaCl 22 years ago

I've stayed out of this so far because I have zero knowledge of any person or activity involved.

But I'm a little concerned with this statement:

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"Just because Jerry wasn't convicted in a court of law, does not mean, in _any_ country, that he didn't commit an illegal act. Innocence is irrelevant in this case."

I guess what you meant to say is just because Jerry wasn't formally accused with anything, the legal system didn't have to decide (while presuming him innocent) whether he was guilty or not.

In my country (the good ole USA) we are all innocent until we are proven otherwise.

If I misunderstood your comment, I'm sure you'll let me know...

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NaCl 22 years ago

perhaps the ultimate truth:

"Sooner or later, all our games turn into Calvinball"

sorry to steal from you (and, I suppose Bill Waterston) Bob.

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NaCl 22 years ago

How much for a t-shirt now, anyway? I'd love to wear one at a launch (especially since I'm a GDI).

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NaCl 22 years ago

At the expense of being labeled one of "Jerry's minions" or whatever (which I am not--don't know him, don't care about his problems) what I see (generally) from folks who post with actual names is content.

What I see from folks with cute nicknames are insults (myself, of course excluded. My nickname is far too cute to stoop to insulting anyone).

Just a general observation.

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Jerry Irvine 22 years ago

Contact me by email for this feature.

Right now I am doing a mandrel deal with samples already sent out for

38mm and samples almost ready for 54mm.

Jerry

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Jerry Irvine 22 years ago

They should just break down the bullshit and change the TRA mission statement to that.

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Bob Kaplow 22 years ago

Someone should go to one of those online t-shirt vendors and make one up that says "I sent money to Jerry Irvine and didn't even get a lousy T-shirt".

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

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David Weinshenker 22 years ago

Except if I wore one it wouldn't be a true statement. (Well actually it would. I gave Jerry some money. I _didn't_ get a T-shirt, but it wouldn't be fair to leave it there without mentioning that I had never asked him for a T-shirt in the first place. However, I did get a kick-ass rocket motor...)

-dave w

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