[TRA motor certs] USR

Fred,

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First, IANAL.

Second, I do not have a page and paragraph to cite for you, as IANAL. However, I have been involved in the past over a period now spanning decades in 3 separate 501(c)3 non-profit organizations, sat in all the legal meetings during the formation of one of them, was Chairman of one, and was involved as a Director in the change and resubmission of by-laws. These organizations ranged in size from (on the low end) 800 members to (on the high end) upwards of 10,000 members. I am also currently involved with the establishment of another 501(c)3 non-profit, which I'll be happy to announce here as soon as its complete (it is space related, not hobby related).

Further, as a businessman, I've been involved in many 'contract' cases, and (not to be immodest) have never been found to be wrong when I've raised a 'legal' question in relation to both business contracts and the non-profit corporation interactions--some of the lawyers involved were somewhat shocked to find out that I WASN'T a lawyer.

Finally, I have informally discussed this situation with a friend, who is a lawyer, and specializes in just this kind of stuff (I have no need to pay him to provide me with the specific cites related to this, I'm not THAT interested ). Those are my qualifications and sources.

If you would like to approach it from the common sense point of view, simply read the by-laws, and they are plain on their face. First, the by-laws make SPECIFIC PROVISION for members to vote for the directors and officers by proxy. Second, the by-laws make SPECIFIC REFERENCE to the presence of a certain number of directors to call a meeting. Third, (and this is indirectly inferred from the first), if the by-laws had MEANT to allow the use of proxies by directors, they would have been enumerated, just as they were for members, and reference for them would have been made in relation to the presence of directors for a quorum.

There are further problems, in that in order to use a proxy for a vote, the motion itself must be published (at least to the directors and in the minutes) with sufficient notice (I do not know if this was done, I'm simply raising it as a question), and the proxy can only be for predetermined, specific actions, such as a) solely for purposes of quorum, or b) for quorum and to vote specifically on a specific motion. I am unaware of a 'blanket proxy', as this would allow for one individual to run a corporation by themselves, but with the 'corporate' mantle, which is precisely the opposite of the reason for a corporations existence.

BTW, as I write this, I'm vaguely remembering one of the times we had to change the by-laws of one of the organizations (it was about 15 years ago, so my memory is a little hazy about the specifics), but I believe it was something 'similar' in that we had 'assumed' that certain things that were assigned to the 'members' also applied to the directors, and it did not, thus the by-laws had to be amended to reflect what our 'belief' was.

I hope this sufficiently answers your questions...

David Erbas-White

So that's where you live. Should have guessed. And you even admit that it is your house.

Bob

Well, the other people might not have gone along with Chuck.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

Ed Tindell is still TRA president. All the expulsions by Chuck and Bruce are invalid. Even John's resignation is invalid as it was sent to the wrong place!

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

Is the Loki really that faster a burn rate than our models?

I agree that propellant so sensitive that it can't be dropped are outside what we're dealing with.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

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Dave, This is where you and I tend to see things differently. I think Jerry has a deviousness about him, and subsequently tend to look at statements like "I specifically asked the Postal Service as to the legality of my package" with reservation. I could take a package down to the local post office and ask the lady if it was okay to ship toy rocket motors as long as it was labeled like the exemption letter I had in my hand. She would probably agree because it was obvious I knew what I was doing. Of course we both know that it is not legal to ship single use K motors in the mail.

steve

So who the h3!! are you?

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

From what I can find on astronautix.com, it looks like the Loki booster was rated at 9kN thrust for 1.9sec. - the booster appears to have been

3 inches in diameter and roughly 9 feet long (depending on model). 1.9 sec. is pretty fast for a 3 inch motor, but not _that_ extreme compared to typical HPR propulsion...

-dave w

IIRC Ed did not resign as president. He was voted out off office by an illegal coup staged by Rogers. Later, he did resign in disgust from what was left as Tripoli. And the organization has been in CYA mode ever since.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

Be my guest.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

About a thousand.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

What IS legal is up to one pound chunks of a "flammable solid" as defined by USPS, BTW.

Such a product contains 3 of those encapsulated in a fire retardant tube.

DMM allows that.

Jerry

Yep.

David E-W wrote:

Yep, it answers the question; enough to tell me I need to revisit the by-laws on one

501c, for sure, with the filing attorney and amend if required, especially sense I and am a charter member, still on the BOD. Thanks!

BTW, are you involved with, "Save The LUT Campain?

Fred

Every minutes of that time frame was doctored "significantly". I know because I was at most of these BOD meetings personally.

Jerry

That is not the case. They other board members who gave him their proxy made it very clear that they wanted Tindell removed. Chuck was not acting against their wishes -- nor was he acting contrary to the will of the membership, for that matter.

I have witnessed two Loki launchings and have never seen any rocket move that fast. It sounds like a rifle shot, when it launches. I have an original tech data manual some place in my collection of stuff. I guess I will dig it out and take a look at it.

Fred

Bob Kaplow wrote:

Does anyone remember why they wanted that?

How was it established that this was the "will of the membership"?

-dave w