Did Sikorsky make the Sky Crane? Is this
>why this item was pulled?
>Jerry 47
Jerry, look at the thread entitled funny ebay thing (or something like that). Apparently they are killing all aucitons of any type of helicopter they own rights to. Rob Gronovius Visit my motor pool in the
I thought maybe their search bot was tuned to Revell but apparently they home on 'Skycrane' too. I even went into my auction and deleted the Sikorsky reference. I should have tried deleting the name and gone with CH-64. I just wasn't sure how many would know what that was. SOBs!
Bill Banaszak, MFE
Is their an eBay rule about what a seller can put in description ?
Just thinking that if they've a bot searching for references and then using people to confirm it, then a person may be tempted to put the S-word (!) into EVERY title - of course explaining the item is NOT an S-word and does NOT infringe S-word's copyright.
The costs would VERY quickly out-weigh the benefits.
Of course I am NOT suggest> >
Maybe if you called it a CH-54 they'd go after it. It's S-64 for the civil version & CH-54 Tarhe for the military.
Funny I thought they had sold the S-64 Type certificate to Ericson hence the "Ericson Skycrane". Perhaps they just licensed the name out.
John Benson ------------------------ IPMS El Paso Web Guy
Right now Sikorsky is tracking down all likenesses of their helicopters on Ebay. Wouldn't matter if you put a name or numeric designation with it. Rob Gronovius Visit my motor pool in the
"Bad-Boy" wrote in news:fW0wb.1634$ snipped-for-privacy@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk:
Actually they can be put in invisibly. I've had fairly specific searches come up with seemingly unrelated items. Turns out the clever fella embedded many possible search words (often just names of all kinds of model makers) in the page using white text on a white background. You can't see it, but the search engine can.
Not that I'm suggesting you people monkey wrench these greedy corporate scumbags this way...
Frank
if you can find it in a search,so can they...
I'm really unclear on the legal aspect of this. Presumably, some model company (e.g., Revell) has payed for a license to reproduce a MODEL of a Sikorsky aircraft. Someone then purchases the model from the modeling company (not Sikorsky), which carries the Sikorsky name as a descriptor (Again, presumably licensed as such). In this instance, the resale of said purchased model is being blocked by SIkorsky?? If they are that concerned about the use of their name, shouldn't they be blocking the sale of such models at the source (i.e., the original company producing the model)? By licensing the rights to produce a model to a "craft" company, doesn't Sikorsky forfeit any claims on control of sales of these kits?
I would think their legal department might have better things to do, like tracking down the sale of counterfeit parts that could end up in real Sikorsky products, not plastic scale models. Tom Dougherty ( snipped-for-privacy@aol.com)
Well boys, not that I know anything about applying heat to problems, buit sometimes the "indirect" approach is more effective.
Perhaps the people who actually work for a living, after being queried mulitple times by irate citizens may decide that the lawyers are an albatroos.
Not that I've ever done anuthing like this and had it work before. Or that I'm suggesting that moderllers worldwide deluge the good people of Sikorsky concerning the possiblity that Sikorsky has gone 'round the bend. Harrumph. Cough-cough.
If there's enough interest I'll maybe clean up the file and post it on the web. Or go to Sikorsky.com and go to contact us. If ever someone gsve the oppostion weapons...
Frank
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Let's extend this issue a bit more. Let's say that you just finished building a Farley Fruitbat XIV and contribute JPGs of your efforts to one of the netzines such as Modeling Madness. Will M2 receive a note from the Farley Folks? Will You?? After all - it is an IMAGE of their PRODUCT.
Or, here's another possibility: What about those pictures you took of the Fruitbat which had been hit by an "Iron Beaver" missile somewhere over Ontario??
You want to share them with other aficionados here on the net. Do you have to contact the Farley legal department and pay royalties before you can publish these images?
Worse yet, what is going to happen when you use the "F" word while extolling the combat record of the "F-F-XIV" in your doctorial dissertation? Will the fees be added to your academic costs?
Yah - right! America needs to close down all the law schools. Maybe a brief hiatus of thirty years or so? It is becoming more and more evident that we have an overabundance of these critters just out looking for new ways to create more income for themselves.
BTW - check the Boeing Ad in the latest FSM which another correspondent mentioned. The last line is printed in very, very fine print:
"Produced under license from Boeing Management Company, Boeing, McDonnell Douglas, McDonnell Aircraft, Douglas Aircraft, North American Aviation, Stearman, and other distinctive airplane liveries, logos, and product markings are among the trademarks owned by Boeing."
Hell! I'm surprised that they haven't tried to register the term "Aircraft" or "Helicopter" while they were at it................
Time to climb down off my soapbox. The rarified air is spiking my blood pressure.............
~Rick Fluke Hangar 3 Arlee
Ron wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@rcn.com:
Now Ron, I'm suggesting that was my intention. Nor would I suggest that such monkey wrenching be used. But the latest count of plastic models exceeds 450,000. If that little mousetrap was in each and every one that lawyer wouldn;t have time to pee he'd be so bust.
Not that I'm suggesting that as a way of spoiling his legal woodie.
Frank
So, I hate lawyers, sue me......LOL
Gray Ghost wrote:
I agree with your last paragraph. I think the problem is that the model companies went to measure a chopper at a military installation and didn't need Sikorsky for that. I find nothing wrong with that. It was a piece of publicly owned equipment. My Skycrane kit dates back to the late '60s, I think, and they weren't worrying themselves about crap like this then. The problem is that we keep thinking in terms of right and wrong and lawyers don't think that way.
Bill Banaszak, MFE
Frank, you little devil! ;)
Bill Banaszak, MFE
Holy words, Tom. You remind me some bad stories heard about spare parts used on Agusta licence-built Sikorsky® machines in south american countries. They came neither from Agusta nor Sikorsky®, in spite of all the efforts put in from both discovering who marketed them...
I just wonder if those lawyers wull worry also about items auctioned through local Ebay websites, say:
-- Luca Beato -
The Sikorsky website is apparently down.
dvh
Gray Ghost wrote:
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Technically they can't do diddly squat about it unless it is a civilian marked helicopter. The "skycrane" and anything that is U.S. Army (DOD) is considered public domain and they are not allowed to hold license on anything that is government owned in the first place. Just label it under the Army designation of "CH" or "UH" or what ever designation. They don't own that because that is the property of Uncle Sam.!
I'm not disagreeing with you, but apparently some folks are having their model sales blocked on Ebay due to some hyper active lawyers at Sikorsky. So, they are doing diddly by interfering with sales of model kits they had nothing to with at the manufacturing end. If this is such a legal issue with Sikorsky, why don't they (try to) block the kit manufacturers? Given that these kits have been around for years with no cries from Sikorsky, what is the sudden problem?
Sudden random thought: It couldn't be that their lawyers don't know these are plastic model kits but instead are trying to block the sale of what they (or their computer search bots) think are possible counterfeit helicopter parts... no, no one is that stupid....
Tom Dougherty ( snipped-for-privacy@aol.com)
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