Re: (OT) Is Sikorsky Doing This?



Funny I thought they had sold the S-64 Type certificate to Ericson hence the "Ericson Skycrane". Perhaps they just licensed the name out.
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Well boys, not that I know anything about applying heat to problems, buit sometimes the "indirect" approach is more effective.
Perhaps the people who actually work for a living, after being queried mulitple times by irate citizens may decide that the lawyers are an albatroos.
Not that I've ever done anuthing like this and had it work before. Or that I'm suggesting that moderllers worldwide deluge the good people of Sikorsky concerning the possiblity that Sikorsky has gone 'round the bend. Harrumph. Cough-cough.
If there's enough interest I'll maybe clean up the file and post it on the web. Or go to Sikorsky.com and go to contact us. If ever someone gsve the oppostion weapons...
Frank
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Frank, you little devil! ;)
Bill Banaszak, MFE
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The Sikorsky website is apparently down.
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I'm in ! Post it! Hub

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I think I'll drop them a line, and CC my elected representatives and the local papers. If it gets a dditional attention, excllent. If not, I'm willing to drop a dollar or two on extra postage.
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I would love to see this on 60 Minutes. :)
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Interesting. Can you let me have an outline on the souls proposal thing in time for Wednesday's meeting? Chek
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Been done several times but their conclusion was not the same as yours.
Tom
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If the problem seems to be using the manufacturer's name and we are to be forbidden to say S*K*R*K* any longer, then we as modellers will need to employ a form of 'pet name' to circumvent this. The service designations are public property and will not be a problem. How about 'Pile of Junk'? Personally I think a model displays showing tables full of 'Pile of Junk S61', 'Pile of Junk S-55' etc. should keep everyone happy and - I'm sure the lawyers will agree - legitimate. As an aside, I noticed a flyer from Academy recently that did not mention the original manufacturer's names at all, using just the service designations. Chek
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You mean the version illegally named after the 1940 - 50s comic book character? I saw it as well.
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Chek wrote:

Probably the smart thing to do but it's going to cause trouble eventually. We have done this "Same Name-Different Object" several times and I recall once answering a question here about 1/24 Mustangs thinking Ford when it was North American.
How about "Unohoo" for this formerly great supplier of military equipment?
Bill Banaszak, MFE
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My question still is, why is Sikorsky jerking an individual?? Like has been mentioned elsewhere, this is the same as an individual selling a used Ford car, Johnson boat, Cessna airplane, B & D saw, Stanley hammer, GIJoe, Hot Wheels, etc. What is theirs & eBay's point??
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And while we're talking about this - how do Erickson feel about it - AFAIK they now own the copyright and drawings etc for the S******e; hang on tight folks, this could get wild!
RobG (the Aussie one)

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You know, there may be something to the "bogus helo parts". In aviation, for about the last 15 years, bogus parts have been a hot issue. You woudn't believe just how extreme the FAA will go to prove a a part is bogus, just due to a sticker or something. And fine mechanics & shops, etc., tens of thousands of dollars & even jail time. Problem with bogus parts is that they sometimes end up in the original manufacturer's lap in the lawsuits. Maybe these pricks at Sikorsky aren't even looking at the item itself. I remember a couple of things. I read many years ago that one of Aurora's main sources of info for a/c was the magazine "Aviation Week & Space Technology". If you were in the aviation field, you got a cheaper subscription. Aurora claimed to be something like "manufacturer of small aircraft parts". There you have it, "parts". On a serious side, about a dozen years ago, some outfit picked up a batch of surplus gears for Bell OH-58 transmissions. They also fit civil Bell 206s. Sold them all. A civil 206 crashed about 200 hrs. later & the pilot was killed. During the investigation, the gear was found stripped. It was made of aluminum. The Feds went to Bell. "Nope, it's cast iron." "Well, this one's aluminum, but it has all the same casting numbers & part numbers." Hmm. After lots & lots of tracking down the source, it was found that this shop had bought them surplus. Nobody noticed they weighed differently. It was found that the US Army had sub-contracted with a shop to make cast aluminum versions of the cast steel versions, since with them, money's no object & they'll replace them every 100 hours instead of every 1,000 hours for the steel one, this way they can carry 2 pounds more of fuel or something. Sikorsky's concern may very well be valid, just misdirected here. 'Course, we all know that the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
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On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:14:44 -0600 (CST), snipped-for-privacy@webtv.net wrote:

Tarhe was a person in this case. He was a Wyandot chief sometimes known as "The Crane".
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I see. Like "Black Hawk", the Indian whatever, as opposed to "Blackhawk", the tribe. One's the S-67 gunship propoal & the other is, of course, the UH-60.
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snipped-for-privacy@webtv.net wrote:

Or lately, Falling Debris. :(
Bill Banaszak, MFE
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How can sikorsky do this if the model is of a military aircraft thusly owned by the united states and by the public. It is public domain.You cannot do if figure of jimmy stewart but you can do one of him if he is in usaaf uniform because he is public domain. obviously the economy is bad when manufacturers are going after the little guy trying to make a buck. I think I should do a kit of a sikorsky just to piss them off any suggestions please email me directly. What do you think of a 1/48th sky crane Please visit my website at http://www.masterpiecemodels.com regards John Geigle
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masterpiecemodels llc wrote:

Well, now, I'll tell you! In the old days this would be true, but things legally are changing these days, getting quite murky. Some companies are not selling stuff to ol Uncle Sam, they are just "leasing' it. That means they retain all other legal rights to their creation.     There is also some kind of change going on in D.o.D. purchasing where the companies retain certain "Intellectual Property" rights while they are selling Uncle the hardware. Only place where the Government gets the whole kaboodle is where Uncle totally funds the R. & D., tooling and production material.
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