On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 01:32:46 +0800, Ray Haddad wrote, FOR THE UMPTEENTH
TIME:
There's a joke about Alzheimer's: you only need one book. Ray evidently
has only one rebuttal, a semantic twitch that chundered up from the depths
of Western Oz.
So for him, it *is* true, and becomes truer by repeating the assertion.
Interesting.
By the way, it seems Ray recently disavowed being an Aussie, even though
he lives there, so he must be a man with no country. How sad for him.
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On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:11:51 -0700, David Nebenzahl
Oh, the irony of it all. You continue to repeat your denial of a fact
and then use that on me. What a joke you have become.
And then to stoop into a nationality issue as if that wins the
discussion. Not only are you a joke, but you are a dope. Good one,
David. You keep up with that.
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Ray
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No, it ain't. That's the problem.
What is it with you guys that you can't accept that words have different
meanings in different parts of the English speaking world? So you use
"denatured" to mean "other than its pure state". So what does that
prove? It certainly doesn;t prove that "both are denatured." It only
proves that Ozzies would call both denatured. Which is OK by me, if
that's the way you want it. But if you want to be understood by people
who use the words differently, you have to explain what you mean.
BTW a_a_a, all commercially available wine is denatured by your Ozzie
definition. It's all mixed with water to bring it to some standard
percentage of ethanol, as decided by the vintner. That's because of
trade laws that require labelling of alcohol (ethanol) content, and
regulations that allow little variation from what's stated on the label.
I don't know about your legalities, but here tax on alcoholic beverages
is tied to the alcohol content.
cheers,
wolf k.
Wolf, I got my education in the USA and denaturing is denaturing. Why
can't you accept that? The words are even spelled alike. See that?
DENATURING = DENATURING worldwide.
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Ray
No, I didn't, and no, you weren't. You had Isopropal and Ethyl
confused, apparently not knowing that *both* can be referred to as
"rubbing alcohol". So when David quite correctly advised using
denatured instead of common rubbing alcohol for cleaning wheels, you
replied "they are the same".
They aren't.
"Denatured" can *only* refer to Ethyl, as Isopropal is never
denatured, so David's reply was correct and your feeble attempt at
correcting something that was already correct to begin with was not
only wrong but made you look the fool.
Right. I've said it before and I'll say it again: arrogance and
stupidity make a poor combination.
P.S.: Had to pick up some meds today, so I made a point of checking
the shelves in the pharmacy. As you'd expect, they carry both
denatured (ethyl) and isopropal alcohols, but only the isopropal is
labeled "rubbing alcohol": the ethyl alcohol was all clearly labeled
"Denatured (Ethyl) Alcohol", with nothing about rubbing alcohol on the
label at all.
When I queried the pharmacist as to why this was, he said "They can
both be used for rubbing alcohols, but if you label them the same it's
too easy for people to confuse them". Would you care to try telling us
that the pharmacist was wrong and that only Ray Haddad is right?
Sheesh.
No, twibil, this is the one aspect in which Ray is arguably correct in
respect of outside the USA. For instance the commonest form of isopropyl
in Australia is stuff called Isocol which is only 64% isopropyl. They
even advertise it for cleaning track
http://www.isocol.com.au/general.htm
Given that he was 99% astray, give Ray the 1% credit he deserves.
I'm not trying to be impolite, but attend closely:
(A) The word "denatured" in this context means "rendered unfit to
drink". Here's the online definition from Webster's:
"de·na·ture (d-nchr)
tr.v. de·na·tured, de·na·tur·ing, de·na·tures
1. To change the nature or natural qualities of.
2. To render unfit to eat or drink without destroying usefulness in
other applications, especially to add methanol to (ethyl alcohol)."
(B) Isopropal alcohol is unfit to drink by it's very nature: it's
poisonous before you add anything else to it. Therefore you cannot
"denature" it. (You can certainly mix other things into isopropal
alcohol, and that's done all the time, but doing so does not
"denature" it.)
(C) As mentioned above, diluting isopropal alcohol is the rule rather
than the exception; but just mixing isopropal with other things does
not mean that you're "denaturing" it by doing so.
Alas, the ad fails to tell us what the other 36% of the stuff consists
of, so its no help.
Had he deserved it, I would have.
He didn't.
~Pete
You are quoting an American dictionary. Others do not have the same
definition, eg definition 2 above does not even get a mention in the
Concise Oxford in front of me now. Are you saying that Ray is only
allowed to use an American dictionary? And are you saying that he is
only allowed to use definition 2 above because it suits your argument,
when he can equally well use definition 1 to suit his argument?
Or are you saying that because the discussion started in an American
context, Ray must keep it there for evermore?
So, assuming you're in the UK, what is the meaning of the term
"denatured" there? What is isopropyl alcohol called, vs. the other stuff
(I believe y'all call that stuff "methylated spirits", yes?).
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