Update on machinist trainee

IIRC, Wells Fargo won't transfer to any other bank.

On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 17:57:07 -0800, with neither quill nor qualm, "Harold and Susan Vordos" quickly quoth:

Hear, hear! But the demands are actually more pay, fewer hours, free health care to abuse, and a better working environment than the gods themselves have. I just love Union thinking, don't you?

Where this leads are top-paid stevedore jobs with the Maf^H^H^HUnions since all the industry has gone offshore and beaucoup megatons of imports have to be handled.

Yeah, I don't understand the lack of work ethic that I see today. Why do so many people have NO pride whatsoever in their work? Has the pursuit of a greenback become the sole drive now? What a way to live. Feh!

Hence Heinlein's famous acronym, TANSTAAFL (There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch)

Why, the Democrats, of course. They've not been happy since the radical Republicans took their slaves away, and have worked ever since to restore slavery. They're succeeding too, through the socialist entitlement programs that breed dependancy on the socialist elitists, in enslaving a large portion of our population.

Tillman

Until that post you were almost not crazy.

You don't think the socialist entitlement programs create a dependancy by destroying personal initiative?

Take a tour of any of the socialist countries in Europe and ask the taxi driver why he doesn't do something else. (this is the job the government says I have to do). Why he doesn't go and get his own taxi. (the government owns the all the taxis).

Look at those countries and see who has the freedoms we enjoy in this country.

It's the elitists who run the government.

You don't think people like John Kerry, Bill Clinton, Howard Dean, Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton are the same as those elitists?

They have one goal. One purpose. To gain and/or maintain their power.

How do they do that?

By keeping their constituents dependent upon the entitlements THEY can hand out.

If that wasn't so, surely they would have designed these programs to really HELP those in need. The fact is, they're not designed that way and they don't work that way.

Turn a blind eye to the slavery that these people in need have been sold into is you wish. Unless you're one of the elistists, if you just sit by, buy their lies, and let them get away with it, you'll end up one of the slaves as well.

Tillman

Actually..if you look at the numbers of people who are dependant on Massa for their every bit of food, shelter and drink...Tillman is quite right.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner

What a total crock of shit! I am not on the public dole. I have been - when the need was there. Otherwise I have pulled my weight and have paid my taxes so that others in need could be helped! Close to me are several people who are not able to cope with life without social assistance. Their needs are varied - from physical disabibities stemimng from work related injuries to physical and mental disabilities from birth. I would rather live in a society that takes care of these people than the dollar-first uncaring system that the USA exemplifies. In fact - taking care costs less in the long run than ignoring the problem! Any minor exploitation of this sort of system is just that - minor. Scammers sometimes get caught. So what? The good outdoes the possible bad. It is just a matter of administration - cheap at half the price. Anyone saying different is scamming for their own interests. The least of our society must have hope. Without that we do not have a society! We have a jungle.

Regards. Ken.

No - He is not!!

A safety net is far different from the expoitive welfare state that keeps people on the dole for life. I'm not talking about the physically or mentally disabled. I'm talking about those who have been injured by an education system that has been destroyed by the *feel good* educational policies of the democrat elitists. I'm talking about those who have been trapped in a system that penalizes them for attempting to climb out of the pit the socialists have trapped them in.

The exploitation is far from minor. The biggest exploitation, however, is the system exploiting those it makes dependent upon it for their very existence.

What hope is there in waiting for the check to come in the mail so you can pay rent on the rathole you live in, getting foodstamps so you can buy less than nutritional junk?

Hope is someone there to give you a helping hand, not to continue to pass the dependency on to the next generation, but to claim your independence and enjoy the freedom our founding fathers envisioned.

Tillman

New Orleans

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner

Yes - He is. Unfortunately.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner

Actually...I dont hate Democrats.

I have nothing but deep contempt for Liberals. Liberal Democrats.

Joe Lieberman is a Democrat. But hardly a Liberal one. Id vote for him I think. Zell Miller as well.

Chucky Schumer is a Liberal Democrat. Id bring new rope to his hanging, paying out of my own pocket. Id take out a loan for rope for KKKennedy and Pelosi.

Big difference

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner

Are you sure about the GM engines, Jim? I've never heard that, but if it's true, it's all the more appalling.

I guess it's evident this issue bothers me a great deal.

I realize it's a stretch, Jim, but something that we're going to face eventually---we're in a world economy. While I realize that Ed has explained it to his satisfaction, and don't challenge his credentials in any way, the harsh reality is we're losing the work--which likely would slow down if workers here paid more attention to their responsibilities and accepted reasonable wages, maybe in keeping with their production. We simply expect too much for our time---an example of which are the assembly people at Boeing that went on strike a couple months ago for more when they were already earning right at $60,000/yr. Where does it end?

Yeah, I realize working for less doesn't set well with you---but is there another solution? We've been lead down the path that we're a "service society", so folks abandoned the skilled trades in droves, moving towards becoming service people, only to have that industry follow on the heels of manufacturing. Hell, the only service we're going to have left is jobs that can't be exported----delivery people, brick front store clerks, and other like people. That balance of us won't have employment and won't be able to afford the services offered by those that remain employed. Wouldn't it be better to have a lesser paying job than no job? It looks to me that's the way it's headed, although I sure hope not.

I think you realize I don't feel I have a solution to the problem, but demanding more money for less effort is only adding fuel to the fire.

I realize you're not fond of SS-----who in hell is? I didn't want to pay it, and --------remember-------I was self employed, so my cut was the whole magilla-----it was the largest tax I paid for years. It was taken from me without my permission---on the promise that I'd get it back when I was old. I am. Hope you can still find it in your heart to consider me a worthy person in spite of the fact I now draw the money. I've done my best to not be a drag on society----paid taxes, worked all my life without drawing any subsidies of any kind. I'm entitled to this one.

Be well,

Harold

\> I realize you're not fond of SS-----who in hell is? I didn't want to pay

I think you are doing a public service to drain money from the govt by any means posible. We need reform and that only comes in a crisis. When the system is so bankrupy that the president's paycheck bounces then and only then will we get reform.

This is why GM is now building all of its

Hi Harold, the reason you haven't heard that is because it isn't true.

OK, you need to go talk to Ed Huntress. Maybe not *all* the engines, yet. But last year GM opened a state-of-the-art engine manufacturing facility in Shanghi. The initial statement was that its output was to be only for cars sold in china.

Then everyone laughed and they said, no that's not really true. We're exporting most of them to the US market.

If I had a job in a US GM engine plant, I'd be real nervous right now.

Jim

Hi Jim, no need for me to talk to Ed Huntress. I am very familiar with GM's North American operations. I was taking issue with your statement "This is why GM is now building all of its engines in china." Absolutely not true.

Come back and say that to me in five years.

:^)

Jim

Would that be the five years of American workers demanding yet more pay, encouraging GM to send the work there? Get my point? We can do more for less pay, perhaps keeping the work in our country, or we can do nothing for no pay when, as you predict, the jobs are all in China.

Thanks, Rastus, for clueing me in. I'd never read of *any* of the engines being built in China----couldn't begin to imagine that was happening silently. Don't know how I missed the post from Ed that talked about the Chine thing, but then I don't always remember where I live, either. sigh.

Harold