A modest proposal... or Jerry Irvine saves the Universe

I am actually willing to take this on face value! Congrats.

YOUR President's Message was the source of "tolerance for weight limits".

Jerry

Absolutely nothing, regardless of whatever paranoid delusions you may have concocted.

Yep, and Iz can't blame TRA/NAR for that, though I'm sure he'll probably try anyway.

If you were directing this towards Iz, you'd actually be right.

Sounds like NAR/TRA were no less blindsided by that than Enzi & Wickman...

-dave w

the back of each one".

27 8 by 10 color glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one, explaining what each one was.

--tc Kid, Have you rehabilitated yourself?

Where can I donate to this worthy cause?

"I'm not worthy!"

- iz

You are confusing an act of faith with fact. An act of faith can not easily be falsifiable, which means you can not construct an experiment or collect data to prove it wrong. To disprove the afterlife you have to die, but what if part of the afterlife is that you can not communicate with the live. Unlike an act of faith, the assertion that JW has a plan or a clue CAN be proven. I have asserted a counter theory. If you prove me wrong, you prove yourself correct. Prove me wrong, show your cards.

Ismaeel Abdur-Rasheed wrote:

relevant excerpt of my 2003-08-29 18:59:40 PST post in response to the above in thread "Re: NAR BoD declines Wickman leadership in legislative action"

=== let's just look at my original question:

what I asked Mark for were the *results* of John Kyte's participation. What he responded with were generalized objectives without methods or specific results.

I have had 20 years of management, including project management, under my belt. Usually with staff, often with contractors. I always state specific goals that are measurable; we call them "deliverables" in the professional services community.

In John Kytes case, examples of measureable results would be collected information, assessment of Senator's positions on an individual basis, specific actions taken to effect change in those positions, the impact (success or failure) of those actions in observable terms [i.e.; Senator's position statements], and postmortem of overall process to identify where errors in judgement or execution were made.

All of the above in presentable form (charts, graphs, narratives, etc.)

what are the "performance measures" used to determine if John Kyte was effective at any level, and how is his actual performance expressed in those terms.

in effect, specifically WHAT did he DO, and DEMONSTRATE how EFFECTIVE was it?

I am still awaiting a substantive answer ===

relevant excerpt of my 2003-08-30 00:40:00 PST subsequent post in thread "Re: NAR BoD declines Wickman leadership in legislative action"

=== my impression of your description of John K's activities was that he maintained a continuous presence in the Senate buildings, meeting with Senators staffers systematically over an extended period of time. What was accomplished in that time? Please state it in measureable terms (qualitative and quantitative).

Mark, with all due respect, you simply are not answering the question.

Meaningful "status reports" would include individual Senator's positions, how they came to those positions, what actions John Kyte took in remedy, and what observable results were achieved as a result. In all of your "Messages from the President" I see little or none of this information.

What did John Kyte produce relative to the goal? [ not what isolated activities did he engage in, or what you plan to do for the Fall ]

I suggest you hold John Kyte accountable for his time, and insist on the reports I've suggested. From that his degree of effectiveness [in measureable terms] will be undeniably clear. Conduct a proper post-mortem, and take your next steps from there. ===

- iz

TRA/NAR are blindsided by everything including LMR and HPR itself.

They are MYOPIC.

You have ZERO CREDIBILITY in legislative matters.

Enzi has some credibility.

be that as it may, we had no intention of supporting the Hatch-Kohl abomination in any way shape or form

it was a poison pill for rocketry, but many fail to grasp this fact

0.9 lbs of [SU] 'model rocket motors' for use in 'recreational model rockets'

does this sound like High Power Rocketry?

think about it

- iz

these comments are chargeable

- iz

thank you for restating your position; i.e.; that your position on JW is not fact, but rather is a "counter theory"

in response to your challenge my answer is "no", for the reasons previously stated

- iz

Let's see the *results* of John Wickman's activities.

Actually, that sounds more like what we get from you and ARSA. Nothing but vague, generalized feel-good objectives without a plan of action or viable method of achieving them. That, and a bunch of conspiracy-theory hogwash about how the entire rocketry community has been doing everything wrong for the past

40 years and how they need Mr. Johnny Come Lately to save them from themselves.

Unfortunately, facts don't matter to Iz, only FUD.

If not for Wickman's conversations with Enzi, the attempt for legislative relief wouldn't even have been _made_...

-dave w