ATFE to produce anti-rocketry video

And that's what terrorism is all about. Actual damages are secondary, you want the psychological effect. Terrorists don't have the balls for a stand up fight against a superior opponent, so they kill women and children instead.

If they want psychological effect, judg> RayDunak>> Apparently without much success, since we've never heard of any Israeli planes

I didn't have a chance to search all the URLS you mentioned, but I did search this one for any reference to ROCKET. I got about as many hits as an honest test would get. Ditto for APCP.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

Kevin is on the right track. It doesn't matter that the agent can buy the motors or how. It doesn't even matter what the testing shows. The fact that rockets can be used for terror is all they're after. So do you sit around waiting for a nasty report or do you put the facts out there first? "Yes, I had an affair with her". That would have come off a whole lot better than a cover up and lying about the situation.

So rockets can be used for terror. RC devices (planes, cars, helicopters) can be too. A suitcase or briefcase can be a terror device.

1 gallon gas can can. Japan used the first inter-continental terror weapons during WWII,... balloons. Rifles in car trunks. Panel vans outside federal buildings. Toenail clippers, pen knifes, and bic lighters,.... Packages sent through the mail.

It's not about if rockets can be used for terror, it's about APCP not being an explosive and therefore not subject to BATFE regulation.

Get that out there first and then the report is anti-climatic. "Oh, we knew that".

Joel. phx

Do you suppose while they have all this commercial propellant they could test some for explosive classification? That is, after all, their job.

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It seems to me that a rocketry-friendly member of congress could demand a live demonstration of the supposed threat, with the requirement being that they, the BATFE, gets one (or two, or three...) chances. Members of his staff would verify the demonstration set-up (assure no electronics in the rocket, no wire) and visually track the rocket.

Of course, the BATFE could not deliver, so how then to turn the whole thing into a big and very public embarrassment for them?

Would someone please explain how what the government is doing on a variety of levels is not terrorism? Explain it simply. I cannot see a way it is not.

Jerry

Yes show how 50 other items are HIGHER risk, well in advance of the fraud.

Only punative meassures are supported. There are no proactive, positive efforts allowed.

Ahah! I sit corrected :)

Thanks!

I _think_ some units got built (there are references to it being plonked on an AMX 30 chassis) but the information scarcity (short of a subscription to Jane's) seems to indicate that it indeed went nowhere.

Well, hey... it's French ;)

Yes, my description of it as a "hittile" was incorrect even though the rockets themselves were unguided.

You expend 32-64 missiles to get one incoming high-speed bogey... giving you 1-2 shots per magazine... which takes half a minute to reload...

excellent idea..I hope the NAR/TRA is coordinating with Senator Enzi that he be privy to the test live in person..... shockie B)

The DOJ made a mess of the election in Philly,.....took a close election, made it appear the Democrat incumbent was under investigation, figured the Republican would be a shoe in.......in reality the DOJ misunderstood how much the people hate them, how much the people can see through the smoke they blow, and they took a close election and make a laugher runaway for the incumbent..........they need secrecy to prevent looking like fools. This government really mistakes how much people trust them...........read that as close to ZERO.

Now, how about we write ABC news to do a 'This is your money' segment about the atf show, explain the costs, explain who makes money working for ARA, explain the reasoning, basically explain their reason to exist. Make the brats accountable.

Exactly! Rocket motors are not under ATF jurisdiction regardless of whether they could be used to power missiles. Somehow this central fact keeps getting lost, buried under the ATF's truckloads of BS about sport rocketry "missiles" and ridiculous hypothetical terrorist scenarios.

In reading that article I came away with the feeling the Israelis knew they were ineffective, but played the card to make it look like they were being terrorized giving them the right (excuse) to attack, period......in the same way our government will try to make our toys look like terror weapons, regardless of the fact we all know they are full of crap. It seems that a cardboard tube with a rocket motor is justification by the atf that it will terrorize people. We are under attack, by a governemnt with no clue of reality and money to burn before the end of the year.

It's just like that kid that was sneaking box cutters on to aircraft and hiding them. Some people thought he should go un-punnised for showing a 'hole' in security.

The scary part is people think that security is going to prevent that and the fact is it is not. The security will just keep them from trying. These people that think there will be nothing smuggled on an aircraft are the same ones that think pulling the covers over thier head is going to save them from the boogy man.

Rediculous.

Well it does! :)

Jerry

Cover puller.

wonder if it'll end up on wolrds funniest videos

(look they missed) (missed again) (not even close) ('nother miss) (are they even aiming them?)

Kurt Kesler wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@news-east.giganews.com:

I didn't say that the motors and igniters were mine :-) And anyway, what do terrorists know about igniters?

snipped-for-privacy@aol.com (RayDunakin) wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@mb-m23.aol.com:

Surely this will be a publicly accessible event?

len.

BrundlFly wrote in news:Xns9429B80A6E655theflysomecom@207.217.77.205:

That they're doing something to "prevent terrorism". Whether or not it is effective is irrelevant. Whether or not it's a realistic threat is irrelevant. They can show their videos of a scary rocket "getting dangerously close" to a target drone, and shut down the hobby, so as not to "make things easier" for "terrorists".

len.

Jerry Irvine wrote in news:01rocket- snipped-for-privacy@news.verizon.net:

Where do I look?

len.

Jim Yanik wrote in news:Xns9429CC3BEEAAAjyanikkuanet@204.117.192.21:

Like the one that "took out" that hotel in Baghdad last week? Very effective weapon, yes.

len.