Rocketry in Australia

LOL! Look who's talking!

A good post Clint.

Yay Oz Gov.

All this should be on-line and easily accessable.

Surprise surprise.

You need to check your state laws. That's it. If they are like WA, you need to be a member of an approved club and have your membership endorsed for H+ motors (depending on what your state will allow). Then it is simply (cough) a matter of wheeling in your two cabinets full of paper work into the hobby shop and placing an order for H+ motors. You will need to buy your RMS over the net (what's new). High thrust I motors don't usually come with an ejection charge so you will need to find a way of deploying the chute - either join a gun club and get a reloaders lic. or think of another way (maybe use a 13mm motor as an ejection charge???).

You can make your own hybrids no worries - but they can't exceed the max total impulse as specified by your state laws. In WA I could make a hybrid up to 320Nsec (if my club membership endorsed me for H+ impulse).

What's that? No clear info on the TRA web site? Fancy that. At least I'm not the only one pulling out my hair. Maybe we could pull each others hair out.

Frustrating isn't it.

I dont have a problem with that for the most part...it's just the motors. I don't like my hobby hanging from a thread that could be cut at the whim of one person. That's what it boils down to. Maybe they are called Dawn Trading because they are half asleep all the time.

Yeah...it makes life 'interesting'. Try looking after a web site from that distance. Not even coupling my camera to my telescope can take a photo of launches from that distance.

I live on 42 acres of mostly pasture with one or two (make that 3) water hazards and trees around the perimeter. It's not a bad place to fly, but the place turns into a swamp after it rains and we get a lot of wind down here. I have approval to fly to 3500ft but dont often go over 2000ft.

We have 5 horses and they don't like the rockets so I try not to fly too many in one day. (I've found dogs love rockets, cows find them interesting and sheep dont care one way or another)

where did you see that? My personal page? I didn't think anyone ever went there. I have the small endeavour and it's a nice rocket - looks great I think. The Ultimate Endeavour - well...it's the ultimate! If I could have any rocket I want (and be able to fly it) I'd get a polecat 'Thumper'.

Gotta have!!! Even if I never fly it - It would look great hanging off my study roof.

If I had to launch it on a jelly rubber sling shot, it would fly one day, somehow. You can fly it amost anywhere to 2000ft on a single

So you have no answer yet you've been talking as if you had all the answers.

Watch what??

I am tired of you Ray.

You mean, gag, they have arbirtary rules in OZ too?

:)

A sea container is about $250,000 wholesale of goods. Mail me a deposit :)

Jerry

That's not an answer to the question, just a cop out.

jerry thinks any rule he doesn't like, is arbitrary.

etc...?

Boohoo. Try giving a straight answer to simple questions for a change.

What happened to bill on delivery - come on - walk the walk

DOH!!! THat sucks! Can you make them?

You are VERY long on talk and VERY short on walk.

You would be entitled to say that IF I was the one always asking if I may send some stuff and bill you on delivery or IF I were the one talking about living the life style.

Yes under the approvals I have with the local authorities removal from site is not permitted.

Jerry Irv> So are users precluded from removing HPR motors from this particular

Jerry you know you cant.

Shipment or submission for shipment of ANY hazardous goods by the postal service is an offence in Australia.

Just as you cant ship to anyone who does not hold a valid import permit "prior" to arrival of the propellant.

Oh, and you need to have the propellant approved by the local authorities.

No we can and do launch larger and heavier, but it requires an approved launch site under CASA regulations..

TRA Australia's location is and has been defined as a launch site under those regulations since they were introduced, and we have multi-year waivers issued to us, so Impact if your having difficulties with CASA its surprising maybe its how you are approaching them?

We have an excellant relationship, with CASA and Air Services and its one earned from a calm professional approach.

Regards

David Wilkins Tripoli Australia - TRA # 6593 L3 TAP/TRA IT Chair

Impact,

Not stagnant, but using your view then Parc is also in a difficult state.

The incident in NSW with the fool and an ANFO bomb destroyed a good field and put rocketry onhold for sometime, I know folks are working very very hard with our support to re-open the Doonside site and I will do whatever I can to help even if thats being positive in supporting their efforts.

Rocketry is not a big thing here period and given the regulatory limitations most just avoid getting involved beyond the A-E range. The you add the issue of 6 different bodies controlling explosives (and yes rocket motors are considered as such, either by hazard class or by explicit classification) then it just makes is very hard.

Now as far as the website, yeap it has been updated, and was so for the launches last year, why have we been quiet, well our flying season is in our winter due to fire concerns. Its late this year as most locals will know we have had abnormally dry weather and the fire risk was simply to great. We work with our landholders and will never create a situation that we could loose our site because we go "GO" fever.

I have stepped down as Prefect/President of Tripoli Australia as those of you will know I was out on the range last September and October what I didn't know is I had a bad case of Pneumonia and pleurisy, which I am still battling through (its even limiting my ability to fly currently.) It was time to pass the baton and allow me to continue to focus on my own projects, one of which is the re-supply of my propellant stocks.

Right now we have scheduled 4 launches for the remainder of 2005, the first will be this coming Queens Birthday weekend, in fact I am going up to the range to do the annual equipment checkout ahead of the event.

Now if I don't get to reply to emails, I apologize in advance but no sooner do I pop into RMR as magically my accounts get spammed to death.. so if your message gets missed I am sorry re-send it and I will try and catch it and I am always happy to take calls.

At our recent members meeting (and yes we do meet) I was pleased to see even interstate members dialing into the meeting. Yes we have challenges, but they will be resolved by positive attitudes and not sledging..

Best Regards

David Wilkins Past-Prefect/President Tripoli Australia TRA #6593 L3 TAP/TRA IT Chair

Poor Jerry.

Almost the whole world is against him.

Jerry maybeyou could Africa or Antartica.

You may note that I said WA. And that is in print from CASA. Yes they will come to the party if you need more alt, but as a general rule, they don't like us flying higher than we have to (or they think we should). CASA are overly protective of airspace and since we have so much of it and nothing using it, I don't understand CASA's reluctance about granting the use of it. Just to make it clear - they will do it, but they DONT LIKE IT. Not just rockets, but anything other than conventional aircraft. (ask anyone who flies microlights).

Sounds like you are implying something David, though I'm sure you're not?

My relationship with CASA is just fine. I am not complaining about anything, I just pointed out the facts - CASA limit WA to 1.5kg liftoff weight and 320Nsec thrust. When I initially contacted CASA and asked about the proceedure for getting approval to fly rockets, they asked how high I wanted to fly - I told them 3500ft and they were not overly happy about that and said 'we shall see and make a decision when you send in the application forms'.

I don't believe I said I am having any difficulties. I have our property approved for rocketry activities to 3500ft and as far as I know, I have more launch dates reserved than anyone else in the country. I said CASA pulled a face when I asked for 3500ft - they still granted it. PARC has had approval to 5000ft in the past. Me?

And just to clear things up, the PARC launch site is not the same as

-my- launch site. They are 600kms away from each other and I am not responsible for the activities at PARC...I am just a member and maintain their web site.

Regards

Paul.