i have been paying attention. 9/11 was an unforgiveable horror. but i also know about the crusades when good christians sacked a town of their SUPPRTERS and murdered more than
90,000 men women and children. i think very little of any religion. christianity's body count makes it the littlest in my respect.
He's been at it a l o n g time. I remember listening to him at my grandmother's whilst my mother was working. That has to be over 50 years.
Bill Banaszak, MFE
Much like those "civilized" people in the mid-east,you down my beliefs due to something that happened a millenia ago...how advanced of you. You do realize that things like that went against the true Word?You hate the message because it came from a messenger who wasn't a true believer. I pity you...and I won't waste anymore time on you either,other then to pray for you. :)
lets look ar recent christian inventions. concentration camps, genocide, nuclear weapons amd biological warfare. i have me 3 christians i consider good people. not too bad, considering.
Ah, but do you remember Gabrial Heater?
Tom
He's about 85 and still goin' strong, more or less.
Was he the one that started his report with the phrase "There's good news tonight!"? I have an old album which talks about US history between World War Two and the Korean Conflict. Seem to remember a segment where Truman was scorching Heater about his reporting of Truman's election victory. "Not So Long Ago" narrated by Bob Hope, and it aired on TV in the early 1960s.
-- John The history of things that didn't happen has never been written. . - - - Henry Kissinger
"Gray Ghost" wrote
So now you're agreeing with my original statement, and countering your own? Are you just being argumentative or what?
That's a good explanation.
Do you mean to tell me that you don't think a statement of decent values as plainly and clearly written as the 10C isn't obviously a good way to live? Just because people choose to do something different doesn't negate the fact that they are obviously a "pretty good receipe for life", does it? Do you realize that you are saying that history shows the 10C to be obscure and undeciperable?
More importantly, you didn't answer MY original question about the 10C: Why is it necessary to believe they have come from God to follow them?
So you're saying I'm right then, that something as simple as one of the 10Cs can be used to cause strife.
Where did this come from?
Dude, any large tract written by what, 40 or 80 different authors, is going to have contradictions and other problems that _people_ will use to justify wrongdoing. To pull out the 10Cs by themselves as "proof" that your religion is beyond reproach is ridiculous because your religion is composed of much, much, more than the 10Cs.
Rationality.
That's interesting. Where do the Japanese fit in there: atheist, false God, or distorted God?
You gotta be shittin' me Frank. How about the Czars and their pogroms? Granted, he was no Stalin, but you have to acknowledge that before 1900 it was practically impossible to do anything - good or bad - on the 10E6 scale. Has a Christian killed 6 million Jews? No. Killed 600 before breakfast and done it for the glory of God and Jesus? Too many times to count.
Why are you limiting the discussion to the last century, anyways? What about the Inquisition, the treatment of natives in North and South America, south Asia, Africa, or Oceania, or the Crusades? What about the various dirty wars in the Balkans (pre- WW I in particular)? Plenty of Christians killing each other there. Not millions, but tens of thousands. What about the Thirty Years War? Calvinists vs. Catholics vs. Lutherans, Germany practically wiped out as a civilization, essentially a war of extermination.
Now you know I'm not one of these "blame western civilization and dead white men" people. If you have read history you know that Christians are no angels. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that you are mentally segregating all those pre-1900 Christians into that false/distorted God pigeonhole. Sorry Frank, that won't work. The scriptures you follow haven't changed in
1750 years. The interpretations of them have, and still are changing. Either you are denying the possibility that what you believe them to say today is no more valid than what Charlemagne or Pope Urban thought they said in their day, or you are saying that the interpretations have gotten better over time, but the improvement stopped about 1925 and the changes of the last few years are wrong.A man, I don't judge. Mankind, I do.
I already live in a world of INtolerant believers. Tolerant ones would be a picnic.
KL
Just as much as Jews, blacks, Muslims, etc, etc....
What's sad is that the oh-so-tolerant seem to think it's okay to crack jokes at their expense...
tolerance is about having a sense of humor. everyone has faults, as do all organizations. keeps it sane. they day you say something is off limits for poking fun at, you are setting yourself up to be owned.
someone who has never posted here comes in with a condescending and smug load and calls me a troll? al knows i respect him and his beliefs, you i do not.
That could explain why he called one album "A Wizard, A True Star". Doug Wagner
Now look what you've done! You've got them a prayin' fer ya AND killfiling ya. I think religion is a personal matter...like your sex life. I don't want to hear about it...especially if it's better than mine!
Doug Wagner
Tolerance is about 'live and let live', not poking fun at racial, ethnic, religious, or other groups - that's bigotry.
the nazz and runt recordings are genius...but he kept recording after and started to believe his press. todd WAS god.
awwww. poor guy.
lighten up al, i wasn't laughing at religion, just snickering politely. you have the same right.
One of the reasons I'm fed up with "tolerance". I'd rather have acceptance. Screw being "tolerated".
IMO, "tolerance" only drives bigotry underground...and no one is any better off for it. Hence the "fun poking"...and the reaction(s) to it.
Better acceptance and communication (and understanding, if that's even possible) than "tolerance".
I'm for free pussy just in case this breaks out into a Hank Williams "I'm for ____" thread. ;-)
Next candidate, right or left, that makes that his platform gets my vote - for life.
WmB
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Uh, because several of them deal with religious ritual? Kim M
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