Jerry is now on my banned senders list

It wasn't a typo. here's the article:

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And this is far worse than it looks. They either falsified Himalayan data for use in the GCM, or the GCM does not take major areas of glaciation into account. I'm not quite sure which is worse ...

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LDosser
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IOW, you'd rather put your head in the sand. Suppression WAS DONE.

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LDosser

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"Some scientists have questioned how the IPCC could have allowed such a mistake into print. Perhaps the most likely reason was lack of expertise."

And there we have it. The very body that is charged with steering us though this supposedly impending disaster is lead by soemone who stands to gain financially and consists of individuals who just dont have the expertise.

MBQ

MBQ

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manatbandq

That would have been Dover. The most recent one I know was Kearney, New Jersey which is ten miles from downtown Manhattan. But they don't take it to court in the Bible belt.

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Christopher A. Lee

"Some scientists have questioned how the IPCC could have allowed such a mistake into print. Perhaps the most likely reason was lack of expertise."

And there we have it. The very body that is charged with steering us though this supposedly impending disaster is lead by soemone who stands to gain financially and consists of individuals who just dont have the expertise. ======================================================= Were it not all costing us a packet, it would be downright laughable. I suppose we can look on the bright side that 1500 or more of their ilk are not on the streets! :()

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LDosser

That's right!

Hadn't heard about that one.

IIRC, there was a case in Kansas a coupl years back. It's going to tak the Supremes to settle it.

On the sillier side, the ACLU has managed to get the Ten Commandments put into just about any public building in the country where someone wants to post a copy! Thanks to ACLU suits and losses, everybody knows exactly what needs to be done.

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LDosser

The Ten Commandments is probably more useful and informative than most of the specious "mission statements" or "our core values" posters that get posted in public and private building the world over.

MBQ

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manatbandq

Only if their equivalents from other religions are also displayed.

Not really. The first are Christian-specific and the rest pretty well universal to all cultures.

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Christopher A. Lee

Without wishing to be difficult in any way -- Just how did Jerry manage to cause all these problems?

An honest Global Warmer is as rare as a honest banker!

Religeon is a barbaric sport.

Peter A

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Sailor

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It was/is a true pandemic, ie, it has spread pretty well as predicted. The reported/confirmed cases and deaths indicate that it is less lethal than "seasonal" flu, which here in Canada kills 4,000 people every year, more or less. Swine flu is also much milder than predicted, which means that most people who get don't realise they have it. The hype leads them to expect that they will get really, really ill.

Flu is tricky. You can't be certain. H1N1 is an avian flu. The known deadly pandemics (ie, those that kill several times more people than regular flu) have all been avian varieties. So the health authorities were worried, rightly IMO. Another problem is that there is no instant test for any variety of flu. It takes one to three weeks to confirm which variety you had.

One good result: people are much more conscientious about washing there hands.

cheers, wolf k.

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Wolf K

Er, the first two commandments are "Abrahamic religion" specific. And those religions argue about what "god" and "graven image" etc mean in them. "Graven image" translates the Greek "eidolon", latinised as "idol." IIRC, Wycliffe did that, and the King James Committee kept it.

Some etymology: "idol", "idea", "theatre", "theory", and "thesis" all derive from the same Indogermanic root.

cheers, wolf k.

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Wolf K

Sure they got it wrong, they got it wrong big time. No problem its a difficult call and they were playing safe. So when should the panic procedures be changed, when should the information be changed to reflect the current real situation. Never of course cos someone is going to ask about the cost. But we cant do that as someone might say that x billion was wasted, which appears as criticsm of the government. They cant just reply that the risk and costs were considered and it was decided the best course of action was to be prepared at that price.

Cheers, Simon

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simon

So how does anyone else know who's had it? How do you know it is a pandemic that spread as expected? In the UK they soon gave up even testing for it. Anyone with any mildly flu like symptoms was told they had iot and take two weeks off work.

Just like the hype surrounding GW that it will kill millions.

Are they?

MBQ

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manatbandq

Don't Abrahamic God-bothery v1.0 and v3.0 also have something similar?

Anyway, it's something to do with cast plaster loads for model wagons, isn't?

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Arthur Figgis

At least they've now done the decent thing and retracted it

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Next? How about sacking anyone who stands to gain finacially from the methods being promoted to avert "disater".

MBQ

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manatbandq

At least they've now done the decent thing and retracted it

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Next? How about sacking anyone who stands to gain finacially from the methods being promoted to avert "disater".

MBQ

Must admit I quite like this :-

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Like any other article it can be interpreted for/against anything you like, but the following extract is to my mind a significant admission and an attempt to halt the rollercoaster in favour of a more balanced research.

"But might this episode signify something more in the unfolding story of climate change - maybe the start of a process of re-structuring scientific knowledge?

It is possible that some areas of climate science have become sclerotic, that its scientific practices have become too partisan, that its funding - whether from private or public sectors - has compromised scientists.

The tribalism that some of the e-mails reveal suggests a form of social organisation that is now all too familiar in some sections of business and government.

Public trust in science, which was damaged in the BSE scandal 13 years ago, risks being affected by this latest episode."

Cheers, Simon

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simon

And "Climate change policies are claimed to be grounded in scientific knowledge about physical cause and effect and about reliable projections of the future"

We dont have any reliable projections of the future. We have computer models that have been refined to fit the historic data sets. Those data sets are simple too short to be meaningful.

MBQ

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manatbandq

I think the oil industry is narrowly ahead in that race still. Wars are quite expensive, I'm told. Guy

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Just zis Guy, you know?

Fraud is still fraud!

Meanwhile, the glaciers here in NZ are up to 10km shorter than when I first visited some of them in the 1950s. The Antarctic ice shelf is breaking up and icebergs floating to within sight of NZ. Sea levels have risen in the Pacific and not as previously thought attols sinking. My brother lives in Canada and studies the fauna up into Alaska - the perma-frost region is retreating drastically.

One (or more) persons making fraudulant statements doesn't negate reality.

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Greg.Procter

... and consists of individuals, one of whom just doesn't have the expertise.

If you're going to condemn all scientists because one attempts to mislead people, what the **** do you do with politicians???

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Greg.Procter

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