ATFE to produce anti-rocketry video



What about the tact that APCP is explosive? Has that been abandoned now for this new tact "the propellant can be used to launch a terrorist weapon"? When does that stop? Will the BATF then be testing rockets with clusters of D/E Estes motors to reach equivalent impulses of the G80s they reportedly have or will buy?
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Multi-headed monster.
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This is called a backup strategy. If they lose their case that the motors themselves can be used as explosives, they have to change the subject to something related so they can't be accused of having been tilting at windmills.
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Yeah, except if you look through the cracks in the door, you discover that they're actually building fake inflatable windmills!
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Two questions: 1) Was he a NAR or TRA member that was L1 or L2 to get these? 2) If they are so dangerous why not just buy one and show its potential?
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On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 00:40:34 +0000, Robert DeHate wrote:

... Irregardless of the BATF weird behavoir regarding regs that apparently don't exist...
The actual point of the silly cloak-and-dagger routine is that the BATF wants to be able to shout loudly that "Terrorists can easily get model rockets!" while showing vids of this character doing just that... wait till they trot out those vids at the scarefest... er... "press conference".

They can't... since it's not the "magic" potential they were lying about to the press.
BTW... when did level 3 aspirants begin reaching 30,000 feet?

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Do you suppose the dealer(s) who sold to him will come forward with disclosure in the strong interest of the industry?
I hope.
Please note BOTH NAR and TRA are silent (and impotent).
For 20 years I have maintained records of sales for investigations. Wouldn't it be ironic that in an environment of illegal LEUP requests this sale was not recorded at all?
Jerry Irvine told you so (numerous times).
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The symptoms/leaks have preceeded the release to rmr by weeks.
So "no comment" is assumed.
JUST like NAR/TRA position on 27 CFR 555.141-a-8 outside of the lawsuit itself.
The parties, all of them, are squirming.
Fun to watch actually.

The only card I have showed the back of so far is the guidance supplier.

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Right. The same source that warned us about the ATF staging raids at every major launch over Memorial Day.
Jerry Irvine wrote:

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wrote:

it a

much is

Alex, Jerry is right on the 'leaks'. They were known to few. You were just not in the loop.
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Because it will take the former NBC staff working for the contractor 39 tries to figure out how to rig some stupid contraption to work so they can film the one failure.
They would do better to use an old lawn mower gas can. Or a spray paint can from Wallymart. Or the gas produced by the idiots that thought this scheme up.
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snipped-for-privacy@acceptable-gains.net (Ismaeel Abdur-Rasheed) wrote in

snip for brevity
Nothing like a how-to film for terrorists.
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You must believe that it is possible to down an airliner with a model rocket kit? Even in the radical chance that a lucky strike is obtained, it is still one of the _least_effective_means_ of accomplishing such.
As proven through history OVER and OVER again, knowlege and truth are not the things to fear... fear itself is! The more people rely upon government for welfare and safety, the more fearful and unsafe everyone becomes. When people learn correct principles, and use them correctly, there is little need of government, except as a tool of the people to accomplish things in unison.
I say, let them make their film, stupid and pointless as it may be, whose only use is to make more fearful the fearful.
~Duane Phillips.
Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the boisterous sea of liberty.
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Or not at all, which is government's greatest fear.

Exactly.
I know.
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"model rocket kit"?? The OP said HIGH-power rocket motors. Those can lift a useable warhead. And terrorists have already launched MULTIPLE rocket attacks on Israel. Volley fire can be very effective.
Even in the radical chance that a lucky strike is

Depends on what the terrorists accept as "effective". They would prefer that the aircraft crash and burn,but just the attack itself would be very effective politically,and economically. (disturbing air travel;very costly to the economy)
They just have to get lucky ONCE,we have to be lucky all the time.
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<< The OP said HIGH-power rocket motors. Those can lift a useable warhead.>>
Ah, but then the terrorist would have to obtain high explosives, wouldn't they? HE is already very heavily regulated, far more than what ATF proposes for rocketry. If terrorists can get HE, what difference would it make if rocket motors were regulated?
<<And terrorists have already launched MULTIPLE rocket attacks on Israel.>>
Not against aircraft.
<<Volley fire can be very effective. >>
Against aircraft? If that were true, why would the military waste billions on expensive missiles?
<< Depends on what the terrorists accept as "effective". They would prefer that the aircraft crash and burn, but just the attack itself would be very effective politically, and economically. >>
Again, why would they waste time, money and effort to use sport rocketry materials when they could use more effective means, such as a rifle?
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Hmmm, a sniper rifle shooting into a cockpit..........are cockpit windows bulletproof? If not the money they waste on this test could have bought a bunch.

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OK Jim, start collecting signatures to outlaw everything, including the pen you use to collect the signatures, 'cause you KNOW dang well a terrorist can use that to stick it in the throught of a pilot and take over the aircraft, and crash and burn it, 'cause he only has to be successful once, right...
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It's funny how the terrorist thing became "THEM versus US" in this butter battle. Ever heard of the "Oklahoma Bombing"? How about the "Unibomber"? How about "Oka"? How about the ever popular "Going Postal" problem? Then there's the daily murder tab that has become routine in urbana.
If you are able to remember further back than three years, your perspective changes from worrying about disarming "THEM" to fixing the problems in "US". With that perspective, these dumb "THEY can do this" and "THEY prefer that this happens" statements lose relevance and meaning completely.
It's amazing how an intense propaganda campaign twists priorities, isn't it? I guess hatred of "THEM" is far more attractive than concern about "US".
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<snip to end>
Obviously you have no familial ties.
Siblings often fight like cats and dogs, but if an outsider attacks, all of the sudden the sibling rivalry pauses, and real fights begin.
This is the pattern of the American Family. No one messes with my family except those who are in the family.
And occasionally, if someone needs to "go down" in my family, then I don't want a stranger takin' care of it, just like in "Of Mice and Men" by John Steinbeck.
So yes, outsider attack gets more rebuttal/reprisal, regardless of what level of "family" you look at.
I wouldn't call that twisted priorities.
Despite all this your attempt at the social point here does nothing except try to hyjack the the general thread into some anti-war related spin. Try instead a new thread "[OT] Anti-War".
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